50% of NAZI oil was supplied from US

Michael Petukhov wrote in message ...
"Geoffrey Sinclair" wrote in message ...
This will probably appear in the wrong place thanks to a bad
news server.

Bad or not that bad. How about this?

Let us see now, instead of answering the problems with the
oil claim the subject is simply changed. Effectively none of
my text makes it to the non reply.

No attempt to explain the appearance of a non existent
Spanish oil refinery, nor why the claimed imports of US
oil do not match the German records, nor Spanish
records, nor why the British would let hundreds of
Spanish tanker sailings full of oil simply sail past
Gibraltar for 4 years of war and so on.

Instead we have a shock horror story of how some people
in the US invested in Germany before and after Hitler came
to power and that some liked his ideas. Then add a whole
lot of accusations. The usual trawl of the internet to find
someone who agrees the earth is flat and that it means we
are really riding on the backs of 4 elephants who are in
turn supported by a great turtle cruising through space.

USSR trade with Germany, million marks, value of German imports
from USSR,

1933 194, 1934 210, 1935 215, 1936 93, 1937 65, 1938 53
1939 30 1940 391.

value of German exports to USSR

1933 282, 1934 63, 1935 39, 1936 126, 1937 117, 1938 34,
1939 31, 1940 216.

Germany's share of USSR foreign trade, percentages,
year / imports / exports

1933 42.5 /18.7
1934 12.4 / 23.5
1935 9.0 / 18.0
1936 22.8 / 8.6
1937 14.9 / 6.2
1938 4.7 / 6.6

Stalin was quite a happy trader with Nazi Germany, despite the
Nazi Government's ideology that called for the destruction of the
USSR, the Nazis did not call for the destruction of the USA.
People do trade.

(snip)

Among the U.S. corporations that invested in Germany during the 1920s
were Ford, General Motors, General Electric, Standard Oil, Texaco,
International Harvester, ITT, and IBM — all of whom were more than
happy to see the German labor movement and working-class parties
smashed. For many of these companies, operations in Germany continued
during the war (even if it meant the use of concentration-camp slave
labor) with overt U.S. government support. "Pilots were given
instructions not to hit factories in Germany that were owned by U.S.
firms," writes Michael Parenti. "Thus Cologne was almost leveled by
Allied bombing but its Ford plant, providing military equipment for
the Nazi army, was untouched; indeed, German civilians began using the
plant as an air raid shelter."

The Ford plant was hit, using a truck plants as an example
ignores the allies largely ignored such factories in their
target selection, they went for aircraft factories, oil and
transport links and the German cities.

Remember the US government paid compensation to the
firms for bomb damage, no need if no damage.

Also blaming US management for what the management did
in Germany while the US was at war with Germany is an
impressive leap in bad logic.

(snip) rest.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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Jörg Bihlmayr wrote in message ...
Michael Petukhov schrieb:

http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...=16866&lang=ru

(in russian)

The article discuss the oil balance of NAZI Germany in 37 - june 44.
The funny side is that some 50% of oil and petrolium products
were supplied by US based companies (the standard oil of New Jersey,
the standard oil of California and the Davis oil company) mainly via
Spain. This includes 100% of oil supply for NAZI subs operating in
Atlantic. All these operations were authorised by US government.

Care to mention, who the other big supplier of oil to Germany until 1941
was?

Jörg

Do you mean USSR? Sure it was suppling some products including oil.
Unfortunately the article does not report actual numbers which
as far as I remember were within 1-2 mil tons/year in 40. I think
it is due to the subject of the article, the US supply to NAZI
germany. Although there are data on Germany oil balance by the
end of 1941:

Germany total oil demand: 16 mil tons/year
Strategic reserve: 10 mil tons/year
Germany production of synthetic petrolium: 5 mil tons/year
Import from Rumania and Hungary: 6 mil. tons/year
Import from S.Africa via Mediterranean ports: 3 mil tons/year
Import via Standard and Davis: 6 mil tons/year
plus unaccounted refuelling of german subs in South America ports
by EuroTank company (Davis)

Nobody says that USSR was innocent of NAZI collaboration in 39-41.
But US was no better than USSR in that respect. Moreover the fact
is that Hitler was receiving the lion's share of the oil form
western, mainly US, sources in the period of 37-44.

Michael



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"Michael Petukhov" wrote in message
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Michael

How many tonnes of supplies did the Nazis recieve thanks to the Molotov/von
Ribentropp accord? Soviet supply trains were still going west while the
Nazi war machine was rolling across the Polish frontier, Komrad Mikey.

Nazi officers co-trained with Soviet military officers in the 30's.

Stalin and Hitler planned to carve up Poland, of course.

Then there was the fact that the Reds did nothing while Japan massacred
hundreds of thousands of Chinese in the '30s. Stalin only declared war on
Japan *after* Japan had lost, just to gain Kamchatka. 100% fact.

Face it, your nation committed far worse villiany during the Second World
War than any other nation except perhaps Germany.

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"Michael Petukhov" wrote in message
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http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...=16866&lang=ru

(in russian)

The article discuss the oil balance of NAZI Germany in 37 - june 44.
The funny side is that some 50% of oil and petrolium products
were supplied by US based companies (the standard oil of New Jersey,
the standard oil of California and the Davis oil company) mainly via
Spain. This includes 100% of oil supply for NAZI subs operating in
Atlantic. All these operations were authorised by US government.

Michael

Prior to 1939 the USA was indeed the largest supplier of
oil to Germany, from 1939 to this route was blocked due
to the RN blockade of German ports. From 1939 to the start
of operation Barabarossa the largest supplier of oil to Germany
was the USSR.

After this date Germany was reliant on Rumanian supplies
and synthetic fuel. While some smuggling from Spain via
France may have occurred it was minimal. For one thing
Spains imports were very carefully monitored and for another
the infrastructure meant large scale transportation of oil
was impossible. With Spain having a different railway gauge
and no possibility of water transport oil would have to go by trucks
over the Pyrenees

What is certain is that Germany was desperately short of
oil throughout the latter part of the war and the western allies
launched a bombing campaign that devastated the German
oil industry. Oil was so short by 1944 that draft animals
were used to tow aircraft around the Luftwaffe airfields.

By 1944 less than 20% of the fuel used by the German
military machine came from crude oil, the remainder came
from synthesising oil from coal using the Bergius process
and the Fischer-Tropsch process at plants that were
mostly run by IG Farben

Troll Rating 7/10

A good effort but not good enough.

Keith

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(Michael Petukhov) wrote:

http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...=16866&lang=ru

(in russian)

The article discuss the oil balance of NAZI Germany in 37 - june 44.
The funny side is that some 50% of oil and petrolium products
were supplied by US based companies (the standard oil of New Jersey,
the standard oil of California and the Davis oil company) mainly via
Spain. This includes 100% of oil supply for NAZI subs operating in
Atlantic.

Oil smuggling was epidemic across the world during World War II. Spain
was a problem, since it was neutral. Note also that a numer of thigns
were smuggled *out* of Germany during the war.

All these operations were authorised by US government.

Assumption not proven.

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(Michael Petukhov) wrote in message . com...
http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...=16866&lang=ru

(in russian)

The article discuss the oil balance of NAZI Germany in 37 - june 44.
The funny side is that some 50% of oil and petrolium products
were supplied by US based companies (the standard oil of New Jersey,
the standard oil of California and the Davis oil company) mainly via
Spain. This includes 100% of oil supply for NAZI subs operating in
Atlantic. All these operations were authorised by US government.

You are obviously lying. Since submarines don't even don't
use oil that is made by mass marketers.


Michael

(Michael Petukhov) wrote in message
.com...
http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...=16866&lang=ru

(in russian)

The article discuss the oil balance of NAZI Germany in 37 - june 44.
The funny side is that some 50% of oil and petrolium products
were supplied by US based companies (the standard oil of New Jersey,
the standard oil of California and the Davis oil company) mainly via
Spain. This includes 100% of oil supply for NAZI subs operating in
Atlantic. All these operations were authorised by US government.

Oh I guess those German submarines must have stopped into US Harbors during
WW2, to replenish oil supplies, after raiding our convoys.

You make some silly posts, but this gets up there.

It isnt even accurate to call them Nazi subs either, since the German Navy was
not a big fan of the Nazis at all.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

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362436 (Ron) wrote:

Oh I guess those German submarines must have stopped into US Harbors during
WW2, to replenish oil supplies, after raiding our convoys.

try the canary islands.

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In article ,
362436 (Ron) wrote:

Oh I guess those German submarines must have stopped into US Harbors
during
WW2, to replenish oil supplies, after raiding our convoys.

try the canary islands.

Try again

Much to the displeasure of the Germans the Spaniards interned
a number of U-boat crews that turned up in the Canary Islands and
they were desperately short of fuel themselves

see
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/spain/sp16.htm

You'll find that oil imports to Spain were only allowed
on the basis that Spain distance itself from the Axis.

The only real concession the spaniards made was agreeing
to turn a blind eye to the presence of german tankers in
Spanish territorial waters.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/spain/sp10.htm
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/spain/sp11.htm

Keith

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In article ,
362436 (Ron) wrote:

Oh I guess those German submarines must have stopped into US Harbors during
WW2, to replenish oil supplies, after raiding our convoys.

try the canary islands.

Controled by.....

Spain.

Want to try again ?




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