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"ArtKramr" wrote
It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission including you. You win grandpa... Can't fight someone's opinion with facts. |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... You weren't in the AAC either, art. It went out of business in 1941. You were in the USAAF. Not exactly. The Air Corps still existed as an administrative unit until the establishment of the USAF. |
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Raoul Date: 9/5/2004 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO ! Arthur Kramer Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission including you. You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors- all of them. It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works, the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers. The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more nor less valuable than yours. raoul I never said it was. It is all crap you made up. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Bush refused to vounteer. And he did it in writing. For pity's sake, Art. This is a non issue. It was discussed to death months ago here, and it doesn't mean what you're trying to imply. |
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Subject: Even if you were right, was Why did Bush join the national
guard? From: Steve Hix NVALID Date: 9/5/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote Bush refused to vounteer. And he did it in writing. For pity's sake, Art. This is a non issue. It was discussed to death months ago here, and it doesn't mean what you're trying to imply. Everything about Bush is a non issue right? How about everything about Kerry? Also a non issue? You can't have it both ways. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Bull****. I have in front of me my report of separation of service dated 16 August 1946 and under Branch it is clearly marked Army Air Corps. Maybe you're right, the people who did the paperwork weren't there, and it's all a big lie, that you really never served at all. Hey! This game is fun... I bet they were sipping martini's and just wrote your name in. Maybe you were just on the next bar stool over the whole time. |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Everything about Bush is a non issue right? How about everything about Kerry? Also a non issue? You can't have it both ways. As far as their service to the country 35 years ago, yes, it's a non-issue, you are correct. |
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ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 9/5/2004 12:52 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "Mike Dargan" wrote in message news:rQJ_c.36777$3l3.28824@attbi_s03... At that time, TANG was a safe place to baby sit the children of privilege who were burdened by poor scores on military aptitude tests. I don't fault Bush's parents for buying their kid's way into the champaign squadron. It's important that the best and the brightest conserve their genes for future generations. Champaign is in Illinois, not Texas. It is used as an adjective. Not a noun. I should have used "champagne" instead. A few use "champaign" to refer to the bubbly wine, but it's more of a geographical term. So, I stand corrected. Cheers --mike Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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national guard?
From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/5/2004 7:26 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: Raoul Date: 9/5/2004 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO ! Arthur Kramer Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission including you. You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors- all of them. It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works, the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers. The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more nor less valuable than yours. raoul I never said it was. It is all crap you made up. Arthur Kramer Art, do you know you are lying when you do it? Read on: "Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/5/2004 6:05 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: (B2431) Date: 9/5/2004 3:54 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/5/2004 3:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 9/5/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... He pulled strings to avoid combat. What hard wvidence do you have of that? He is not much of a man. In your uninformed opinion. He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO ! Arthur Kramer Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission including you. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer" Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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