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"Morgans" wrote in message ... "Dylan Smith" wrote in message ... In article , Morgans wrote: Good Lord help us all! I suppose they will be made with China steel. That is the softest, inconsistent crap have ever seen, let alone all the other made in China crap. Unlikely - Diamond's planes are made of plastic! OHMYGOD!! They'll sneak it through the metal detectors!! :~) I know you are kidding, but I am sure there are some VERY important steel parts in the "plastic" airplane, too. ;-) The relief tubes? -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... Does the tax on Jet-A and other fees support the airlines usages? The passenger and fuel taxes are all mixed together. I used avgas tax and FSS because almost all the FSS users are flying piston engine airplanes. There really aren't any other fees that don't go to the airport owner. Has anyone ever done a complete breakout of costs vs. revenue of the air transport system at all levels? If you consider that most of the system exists for the airlines, with GA as an incremental user then the airlines are getting a pretty good deal. Considering the spartan facilities GA uses, compared to the regal infrastructure the airlines require, GA is dirt cheap. Not really if you consider that most airports exist soley for GA. The taxes on GA don't cover the services and facilities that GA uses exclusively If you divide the cost among all users by the number of flights then GA is getting a good deal. People try to parse the facts to support their position. Another way to look at it is that GA pilots and companies with business aircraft pay income taxes and most airlines do not. And GA didn't get $$$BILLIONS in handout in the wake of 9/11. The airlines would counter that they pay wages and their employees pay taxes. It goes on forever. Cyclically. One thing is clear though; piston GA is not paying its way through fuel taxes as many believe. If the airplane burns 10GPH and flys 100hrs/yr the fuel tax is only about $200/yr which doesn't cover much of anything. Interestingly, I recall a few articles a few years ago the over-the-road trucks pay roughly half of taxes and fees for the interstate and state highways, but they cause more than 3/4ths of wear-and-tear and damage. I recall a statistic that one max weight semi truck caused as much damage as 2300cars over the same road. This implies that trucking is indeed subsidized. Trucks like to have stickers on their cab/trailers that "I paid $xxx in taxes last year", but the amounts certain;y are not coincident with the damage they cause. Never mind that many are way OVER max. Hell, I paid $900 in Colorado property tax on my bird last year and it certainly didn't go into the CAF. The railroads have to maintain their own tracks. The system doesn't change because there are more truckers than railroads. When someone else foots the bill, new and more efficient processes and technologies never seem to get implemented as quickly as when we pay our own way (like good, mature adults). Yes I would support an IFR system like in the UK. You fly without radar separation below certain altitudes and you don't have to talk to ATC. AFAIK there has never been a collision. "Midair collisions are extremely rare. In 1999, for instance, only 18 midair collisions occurred, of which 9 involved fatalities. A fatal midair collision, therefore, occurred only once in every 3 million flying hours (based on an estimated 27 million hours flown in 1999)." -- AOPA GA Fact Sheet Only two of the 18 (AIUI) were under ATC control. ?? I don't think that any of them were during the enroute phase of flight. Mike MU-2 -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article .net, "Mike Rapoport" wrote: No, there is a fundemental difference. The road tax on gasoline pays for all the roads are you claiming that, in the USA, the only source of funds to pay for roads is the tax on gas? In MA we have this excise tax which I thought paid for part of the road infrastructure. -- Bob Noel looking for a sig the lawyers will like No only federal highway funding. State and county roads are funded differently. Mike MU-2 |
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message ... "Matt Barrow" wrote in : http://www.timbro.com/euvsusa/ (EU vs. USA) by a think tank in Stockholm, Sweden Read particularly the summary at the bottom and some of he charts comparing the various EU countries against the US. Of course, the results of such surveys depend on the political leanings of the authors. Authors who favour a neoliberal policy will come to results that portray the US as better, so to encourage Europeans to mimick American policies. Economics isn't a science, Paul Krugman thinks it is...at least Keynesian economics, that is. it's ideology to a large extent. Find the source of their data and report back. Regards Refute |
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message ... "Matt Barrow" wrote in : http://www.timbro.com/euvsusa/ (EU vs. USA) by a think tank in Stockholm, Sweden Read particularly the summary at the bottom and some of he charts comparing the various EU countries against the US. Of course, the results of such surveys depend on the political leanings of the authors. Authors who favour a neoliberal policy will come to results that portray the US as better, so to encourage Europeans to mimick American policies. Economics isn't a science, it's ideology to a large extent. Very true! Mike MU-2 |
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... Does the tax on Jet-A and other fees support the airlines usages? The passenger and fuel taxes are all mixed together. I used avgas tax and FSS because almost all the FSS users are flying piston engine airplanes. There really aren't any other fees that don't go to the airport owner. Has anyone ever done a complete breakout of costs vs. revenue of the air transport system at all levels? If you consider that most of the system exists for the airlines, with GA as an incremental user then the airlines are getting a pretty good deal. Considering the spartan facilities GA uses, compared to the regal infrastructure the airlines require, GA is dirt cheap. Not really if you consider that most airports exist soley for GA. I'd bet that Denver Intl (Frederico Pena's monument to himself) cost as much as the rest of GA airports combined The taxes on GA don't cover the services and facilities that GA uses exclusively I don't think that any of them were during the enroute phase of flight. It doesn't say. |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message news Given that only a small percentage of Chineese are participating in their "new" economy, it will be a long time before this happens. Remember that Japan's economy stalled after they became (and remain) the richest developed nation on a per capita basis. Even after their economy puked, what, 2/3rds of it's value? -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO How are you arriving at that? What was the NIKKEI at it's peak and bottom? It's now at 11,045 and wasn't it at around 40,000 at it's peak in 1990? That is ridculous. Economies are not measured by stock market valuations. The GDP of Japan is larger now than ever before. How would you rate the US economy on that metric? The Nasdaq is down 61% from its high five years ago. Mike MU-2 |
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message news "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message news Given that only a small percentage of Chineese are participating in their "new" economy, it will be a long time before this happens. Remember that Japan's economy stalled after they became (and remain) the richest developed nation on a per capita basis. Even after their economy puked, what, 2/3rds of it's value? -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO How are you arriving at that? What was the NIKKEI at it's peak and bottom? It's now at 11,045 and wasn't it at around 40,000 at it's peak in 1990? That is ridculous. Economies are not measured by stock market valuations. Oh, and what DO they measure? The GDP of Japan is larger now than ever before. Got some NET numbers? How would you rate the US economy on that metric? I'd say it's pretty ****ty, regardless of what the Repubs say. The Nasdaq is down 61% from its high five years ago. Yup and many are STILL paying the price. I know several engineers that are making 1/4th what they were five years ago. Seems the only thing that grown is government. |
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"G Farris" wrote in message ... In article , re says... Of course, the results of such surveys depend on the political leanings of the authors. Authors who favour a neoliberal policy will come to results that portray the US as better, so to encourage Europeans to mimick American policies. Of course this is true. Gee, what is that, a mantra? Nevertheless, I think all will agree that there is a productivity problem in Europe. Well, if the econmic studies are all bogus, how do you come to that conclusion? What the hell is it with all this post-modernist bull****? French workers have the shortest working week of any country in the world, and are on the higher end in pay scale (though lower than Germany, Japan or the US). Their productivity in no way justifies such little work, and when you add in the cost of all their social benefits, and their strikes to ask for eben more social benefits and even less work it is not surprising that they are not competitive on a global scale in most industries. So how do you KNOW that? That's just your "opinion"!! I think the big ideological difference is not in the assessment of the situation, but in the proposed remedies, which will be diametrically opposed, depending on which side of the political spectrum one favors. Yes, governments of ALL stripes think that the economies they screwed up should give them MORE moeny and power. That's the essence of Keynesianism. "Nevertheless the theory of output as a whole, which is what the following book purports to provide, is much more easily adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state, than is the theory of production and distribution of a given output produced under conditions of free competition and a lance measure of laissez-faire." (Keynes 1973 [1936]: xxvi: cf. Martin 1971: 200-5; Hazlitt [1959]1973: 277; Brunner 1987: 38ff.; Hayek 1967: 346) |
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