Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control

writes:

ABS is part of the "stability stuff" designed to keep the car from winding
up sideways in a panic stop.

Yes, but ABS systems can be installed alone, without any other stability
stuff, and that's the way my car was ... I think. I'm pretty sure it had ABS
because there was a light on the dashboard for it, but it didn't have any
stability weirdness. As I recall, the light came on when ABS was engaged. Of
course, it never came on for me, because I never stopped recklessly enough for
it to activate.

Non sequitur.

I'm afraid not. You've admitted yourself that many differences are trivial and
can be easily adapted to, which is true. Moving from sim to airplane or back
is the same way. Only an exceptionally stupid student or pilot would not
notice and allow for differences between the two.

Morgans writes:

THAT shows how you speak about thing you don't fully understand. ABS DOES
shorten stopping distances, as the system can more precisely modulate the
brakes than any human is able.

The difference between that and what a skilled driver can achieve is small,
and in any case, if someone is depending on that slight decrement in stopping
distance, he's already making dangerous mistakes. In fact, if the ABS
activates at all, he is almost certainly making a mistake in his driving. An
ABS activation always means impending skid, and if you need an impending skid
to stop, you started braking way too late, or you were too close to whatever
you are trying not to hit.

On Aug 6, 11:59*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote

they
often don't understand that ABS does not reduce minimum stopping distance,

THAT shows how you speak about thing you don't fully understand. *ABS DOES
shorten stopping distances, as the system can more precisely modulate the
brakes than any human is able.

Mx does not understand that ABS in airplanes and in cars, prevents
wheel lock and uncontrolled skids. He is 'expert' at little expect
prolonging threads, unless you take the word expert apart. An ex,
after all, is a has been, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Morgans writes:

THAT shows how you speak about thing you don't fully understand. ABS
DOES
shorten stopping distances, as the system can more precisely modulate the
brakes than any human is able.

The difference between that and what a skilled driver can achieve is
small,
and in any case, if someone is depending on that slight decrement in
stopping
distance, he's already making dangerous mistakes. In fact, if the ABS
activates at all, he is almost certainly making a mistake in his driving.
An
ABS activation always means impending skid, and if you need an impending
skid
to stop, you started braking way too late, or you were too close to
whatever
you are trying not to hit.

You are so damn stupid, you are a waste of oxygen.

If you ever had someone pull out in front of you while you were doing 55MPH,
and you had ABS, you had better be using it, or you gave up a hundred feet
of stopping distance.

I am glad for ever MPH my ABS lessen my speed when a person didn't see me
coming, and pulled out. Every extra MPH impact hurts, that much more. I
wasn't making dangerous mistakes, other than driving. That is one mistake
you will not make, because you are afraid of living.

But then, since you do almost no driving, and none now, you would not be in
real life to take your chances of applying ABS. Just like simming, instead
of flying.

Chicken****. Waste of air.

Everyone ignore this jerk, please ! ! ! The only way you can do that is to
block him out. I didn't, and like others, he ****es me off, and draws a
response. Block him, everyone, please ! ! !
--
Jim in NC

On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Aug 6, 10:44*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:
Asking for experience, flying hours, qualifications etc are a total
waste of bandwidth on Usenet. The person being challenged could be a
trained Chimp with a keyboard or the King of Siam. They could also be
quite legitimate.

Which means I could also be working in aviation safety for a living. I could
even be working for the FAA.

The ONLY accurate measure of value on any Usenet forum is the accuracy
of the information posted proven over time. Posters are usually found
to be who they claim to be or not who they claim to be over time and
posting history based on the above.

I agree. However, I don't care who the posters are. They are either right or
wrong. I don't trust names or credentials. *Someone who is consistently right
will gradually earn my respect; someone who is too often wrong will be
promptly written off.

My most interesting Usenet experience occurred when someone accused me
of NOT being Dudley Henriques as he knew Dudley Henriques and I wasn't
him.
My wife promptly answered his private email to me stating that if he
knew the real Dudley Henriques, would he be kind enough to ask him to
come home immediately as the impostor she had been living with for
over 40 years didn't like to do yard work.

Perhaps the one he knew was the imposter.

I don't worry about that, as I've said above. So whether you are the real DH
or not doesn't matter. Only the things you post matter.

If I'm not mistaken, you have reposted almost verbatim what I just
said :-)
DH

Which if you weren't the ever self-consuming troll you have become,
the real troll wouldn't have had the op to do that.

Excuse me, you can go back to trolling the troll like all the others,
bored, half-dead and spending countless hours on dozens of forums.
--
A fireside chat not with Ari!
http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

ABS is part of the "stability stuff" designed to keep the car from winding
up sideways in a panic stop.

Yes, but ABS systems can be installed alone, without any other stability
stuff, and that's the way my car was ... I think. I'm pretty sure it had ABS
because there was a light on the dashboard for it, but it didn't have any
stability weirdness. As I recall, the light came on when ABS was engaged. Of
course, it never came on for me, because I never stopped recklessly enough for
it to activate.

Point missed again.

ABS is "stability stuff", which contrary to your assertion has been around
for over twenty years, has saved lives, and causes no "problems" I've ever
heard of.

One does not have to drive "recklessly" for their system to activate.

A ball rolls into the street in front of you followed closeley by a running
child...

Someone pulls out of a driveway onto the street without looking...

The car in the next lane blows a tire and starts skidding into your lane...

I could go on and on and all of them have happened to me.


Non sequitur.

I'm afraid not. You've admitted yourself that many differences are trivial and
can be easily adapted to, which is true. Moving from sim to airplane or back
is the same way. Only an exceptionally stupid student or pilot would not
notice and allow for differences between the two.

Nope, I what I have said is some differences are trivial, but many of them
are major unless you are talking about multi-million dollar, full motion,
professisonal simulators.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Morgans writes:

THAT shows how you speak about thing you don't fully understand. ABS DOES
shorten stopping distances, as the system can more precisely modulate the
brakes than any human is able.

The difference between that and what a skilled driver can achieve is small,

For a professional driver, maybe.

For the average person, no.

and in any case, if someone is depending on that slight decrement in stopping
distance, he's already making dangerous mistakes. In fact, if the ABS
activates at all, he is almost certainly making a mistake in his driving. An
ABS activation always means impending skid, and if you need an impending skid
to stop, you started braking way too late, or you were too close to whatever
you are trying not to hit.

Or something totally unexpected happeded like a kid runs into the street
chasing a ball, someone pulls out in front of you without looking, a parked
car opens their door right in front of you, or someone runs a red light.

It appears your knowledge of real driving is just as shallow as your knowledge
of real flying.

Have you ever actually done ANYTHING or is your whole life a simulation?


--
Jim Pennino

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writes:

Nope, I what I have said is some differences are trivial, but many of them
are major unless you are talking about multi-million dollar, full motion,
professisonal simulators.

So a multi-million-dollar, full-motion, professional simulator that
exaggerates the effects of spoilers by 100% would still only count as a
trivial difference?

writes:

For a professional driver, maybe.

For the average person, no.

Then the average person needs to take care to drive in a conservative way that
will not exceed his abilities.

Unfortunately, systems like ABS make drivers complacent, and soon they are
making every stop as if it were a panic stop, confident that the ABS will save
them.

This is a very consistent pattern of human behavior when gadgets like this are
installed on vehicles. In aviation, one sees this in the near-total
dependence on GPS that some private pilots have quickly embraced once they've
started using the receivers. Not only are they routinely taking risks that
they should not, but they've forgotten what to do if the GPS fails.

Or something totally unexpected happeded like a kid runs into the street
chasing a ball, someone pulls out in front of you without looking, a parked
car opens their door right in front of you, or someone runs a red light.

An ABS might not help you at all in these cases if you aren't driving
cautiously enough to have the correct stopping distance. And if you do allow a
generous stopping distance, you may not need ABS.

In other words, a system like ABS helps in a minority of cases, but makes no
difference in many other cases. If that were the end of it, no problem, but
the flip side is that automation of this kind makes drivers (or pilots) lazy
and allows them to get far ahead of their actual abilities.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Nope, I what I have said is some differences are trivial, but many of them
are major unless you are talking about multi-million dollar, full motion,
professisonal simulators.

So a multi-million-dollar, full-motion, professional simulator that
exaggerates the effects of spoilers by 100% would still only count as a
trivial difference?

Nope, and that is a really stupid question.


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