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THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.



 
 
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Old February 7th 09, 01:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.
http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publicati..._for_Long-.pdf
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Old February 7th 09, 05:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.

Three more years of F-22 production to keep the line warm then restart
production with FB-22s and every city on Earth will be hostage to
prompt stealth strike from existing USAF bases.

Of course this would require long range planning and initiative on the
part of The Force, so don't hold your breath.

-HJC
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Old February 9th 09, 10:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

hcobb ha scritto:
FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.

Three more years of F-22 production to keep the line warm then restart
production with FB-22s and every city on Earth will be hostage to
prompt stealth strike from existing USAF bases.


I'm wrong or there's a serious mission overlapping between this FB-22
and the B-1 & 2 ?

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
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Old February 9th 09, 01:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 9, 2:19 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
wrote:
hcobb ha scritto:
FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.


I'm wrong or there's a serious mission overlapping between this FB-22
and the B-1 & 2 ?


The FB-22 would have an innate air to air combat ability that the
B-1/2s lack.

The FB-22 would be much faster than the B-1 and so able to get in and
out of trouble faster.

The FB-22 would be much more stealthy than the B-2 and so able to
sneak in and out of dangerous places better.

And finally the FB-22 would have much more range than the F-22 and so
able to reach places that would otherwise require tanker support in
harm's way.

So there is a gap in capability that the FB-22 would cover, but it
would not be a replacement for the missions currently covered by the
B-2s or B-1s. However the best mission for the Hustler II would be to
open the way for the big bombers with a hunt and destroy of air
defenses.

-HJC
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Old February 9th 09, 01:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 9, 8:28*am, hcobb wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:19 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:
hcobb ha scritto:
FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.


I'm wrong or there's a serious mission overlapping between this FB-22
and the B-1 & 2 ?


The FB-22 would have an innate air to air combat ability that the
B-1/2s lack.

The FB-22 would be much faster than the B-1 and so able to get in and
out of trouble faster.

The FB-22 would be much more stealthy than the B-2 and so able to
sneak in and out of dangerous places better.

And finally the FB-22 would have much more range than the F-22 and so
able to reach places that would otherwise require tanker support in
harm's way.

So there is a gap in capability that the FB-22 would cover, but it
would not be a replacement for the missions currently covered by the
B-2s or B-1s. *However the best mission for the Hustler II would be to
open the way for the big bombers with a hunt and destroy of air
defenses.

-HJC


Who do we know that has the properties that an FB-22 would attack?
That a Peacekeeper or Trident (if that's the latest nomenclature)
would not hit? The new dispensation seems to be reduction of the
"strategic" arms in favor of the theater or tactical arms. This seems
like a system looking for a target.
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Old February 9th 09, 09:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
hcobb
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 9, 5:40 am, Jack Linthicum wrote:
Who do we know that has the properties that an FB-22 would attack?
That a Peacekeeper or Trident (if that's the latest nomenclature)
would not hit? The new dispensation seems to be reduction of the
"strategic" arms in favor of the theater or tactical arms. This seems
like a system looking for a target.


Next generation integrated mobile air defenses.

High level terrorists.

Mobile cruise missile launchers with WMD warheads.

The targets the Hustler II hunts are mobile, low profile and high
value. The FB-22's sensors (being the next step past the B-2, F-22
and F-35) are as important as its weapons.

These are things you can't spot from space and you can't wait for an
ICBM to get to the last known GPS grid, but you probably do not want
to start a nuclear war over.

-HJC
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Old February 9th 09, 09:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 7, 12:44*am, hcobb wrote:
FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.

Three more years of F-22 production to keep the line warm then restart
production with FB-22s and every city on Earth will be hostage to
prompt stealth strike from existing USAF bases.

Of course this would require long range planning and initiative on the
part of The Force, so don't hold your breath.

-HJC


We already have the B-1B. That aircraft can fire missiles. Attack mode
can be added to F-22s, but the B-1B is already up and running.
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Old February 9th 09, 10:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
frank
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 9, 7:28*am, hcobb wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:19 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:
hcobb ha scritto:
FB-22 "Hustler II" firing a long range ramjet missile can be in
service by 2020 if The Force starts now.


I'm wrong or there's a serious mission overlapping between this FB-22
and the B-1 & 2 ?


The FB-22 would have an innate air to air combat ability that the
B-1/2s lack.

The FB-22 would be much faster than the B-1 and so able to get in and
out of trouble faster.

The FB-22 would be much more stealthy than the B-2 and so able to
sneak in and out of dangerous places better.

And finally the FB-22 would have much more range than the F-22 and so
able to reach places that would otherwise require tanker support in
harm's way.

So there is a gap in capability that the FB-22 would cover, but it
would not be a replacement for the missions currently covered by the
B-2s or B-1s. *However the best mission for the Hustler II would be to
open the way for the big bombers with a hunt and destroy of air
defenses.

-HJC


Put your comic books away. There hasn't been any air to air combat
with strategic bombers of any consequence since WWII. If there's any
probablity of offense, you send in tac air with the strike package. or
use standoff weapons. Much cheaper to build standoff than a goofy
ramjet FB-22.
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Old February 9th 09, 10:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
frank
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Default THE CASE FOR LONG-RANGE STRIKE: 21ST CENTURY SCENARIOS.

On Feb 9, 3:32*pm, hcobb wrote:
On Feb 9, 5:40 am, Jack Linthicum wrote:

Who do we know that has the properties that an FB-22 would attack?
That a Peacekeeper or Trident (if that's the latest nomenclature)
would not hit? The new dispensation seems to be reduction of the
"strategic" arms in favor of the theater or tactical arms. This seems
like a system looking for a target.


Next generation integrated mobile air defenses.

High level terrorists.

Mobile cruise missile launchers with WMD warheads.

The targets the Hustler II hunts are mobile, low profile and high
value. *The FB-22's sensors (being the next step past the B-2, F-22
and F-35) are as important as its weapons.

These are things you can't spot from space and you can't wait for an
ICBM to get to the last known GPS grid, but you probably do not want
to start a nuclear war over.

-HJC


Yeah, we did so well against mobile SCUDs in DS/DS. Dream on.

Who has the money to build integrated air defenses? We negated
everything we went up against. Remember Libya, Iraq? All those great
places we managed to put iron on target. Or are you gunning for that
job?
 




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