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KM

I think you better re-read my posts. I have been urging calm and civility,
and the means Frank Reid uses on her are not good. I may have siad I agreed
with some of his points, but not how he is going about it!!!

Brian G.
"KM" wrote in message
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Vaughn Simon wrote:
Then that would be your loss.

Vaughn,
I find this imposible to imagine! I dont know what passes for
acceptable in your neck of the woods, but where I am from (out in So.
Cal.) we have a pretty diverse group of pilots, and any business owner
who goes about publicly making fun of molestation victims and using
racical slurs would find himself with a rapidly diminishing customer
base.

Bermuda Soaring is one of the best
commercial soaring operations in the United States. Soaring needs
commercial
operators like Frank and other entrepreneurs if it is going to survive.

Frank's conduct is doing the sport no favors.I dont know which is
worse, F.R.'s conduct, or the guys like you and Brian G. who are
cheering him on.If a prominent business owner and former SSA director
goes off like this, how do you think it looks to the casual R.A.S.
lurker?We ALL should be denouncing his behavior, not encouraging it.

Each one of them is putting their life and their future on the line for
our sport,
which is hardly a growth market.

Could the fact that soaring is hardly a growth market be due in part to
the caste system L.L. made mention of?

I have worked at a commercial soaring operation long enough to know
the
challenges involved, and I have been to Business school, so I know a
shaky
business plan when I see one. I know too much to ever go into the
soaring
business, so I try to be nice to those optimistic people who do.

Vaughn, You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.If
you had to endure Frank's "Gutless Chicken****" speech in person, I
hardly think you would be nice to him.

Vaughn

K. Urban

Brian Glick wrote:
KM

I think you better re-read my posts. I have been urging calm and civility,
and the means Frank Reid uses on her are not good. I may have siad I agreed
with some of his points, but not how he is going about it!!!

Brian, I did reread your post and here is a direct quote "I second what
Frank Reid said in just as strong of language".Kinda looks like you are
behind the guy and his conduct.Brian, I dont know what the standards
are in your part of the country, but it may come as a surprise to you
that this sport is not just limited to rich old white guys.I would
suggest that you distance yourself from racist ding dongs like Frank
Reid.

K Urban

Bumper,

I have had the same good experience as you, here in Washington, both at
Arlington and in Ephrata. Very friendly people and quite helpful.
And........most have reeeeaaaaaly nice sailplanes, some with engines in
them!

Brad

PS........a friend of mine has a brother that plays bass.........he
himself is a wicked guitar player, might that be you? same name and
same nickname!


bumper wrote:
Willie,

I was thinking the same (g).

You and I must be dealing with the same group. All the "ramp folks" I've met
at Minden, NV are right nice people!

--
bumper ZZ (reverse all after @)
"Dare to be different . . . circle in sink."
Quiet Vent kits and MKII "high tech" yaw strings

"Willie" wrote in message
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:wrote

I never did find the soaring community
to be very friendly especially if you weren't
a competition pilot and just flew around the
flagpole like I used to do.

The soaring community and
environment are just too unpleasant and
there are much better ways for
me to spend my precious weekends.

Lucky Lindy
____________________________

Wow, I just had a Lennie flashback.

That isn't you, is it Lennie?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll
say "sorry" if you had an unpleasant
experience at a contest or in a club.

I've met many more nice/friendly people
involved in soaring than in many other
pursuits I've tried. Sure, there are a few
arrogant SOB's in every aspect of life
but for the most part glider pilots are a
decent group.

I hope you find a way to give the sport
another chance in the future.

Willie Geiselmann

Wille:
"If it is something negative, then
hopefully it will be your last post here."

So unless I post something that agrees with you, then you would prefer
that I don't post anything else here?

Is that correct, Willie?

The purpose of message boards is to discuss and that means that boards
are not necessarily mutual admiration societies.

And your attempt to stifle any descension is also not very American or
in tune with our rights to free speech.

You also cherry picked partial sentences of my post out of context and
you completely missed the larger points that I was making.

Do you consider yourself an open minded and friendly person who can see
the point of views of others?

No, I didn't think so.

Lucky Lindy.

ps, I'll post here in the future it I so desire since I didn't see your
name as the owner of Goggle.

Willie wrote:
Lucky Lindy,

First off, It was not a personal swipe. It was an
inside joke to the many people who have been
on this message board for over 5 years.

I was sincere in my blanket apology to you
about whomever offended you. It takes a thick
skin to be around guys who can afford very
expensive toys.

Try a different club, or buy a motorglider and
fly by yourself.

Go to the main groups page on RAS and in the
top right corner of your browser there should be
a search engine for this group. Type "Lennie"
no quotes and you will get an idea of my reference.

I am not calling you Lennie, I would never be that
cruel or mean. I was making a reference to the
tone of your post.

Lennie also wanted to quit Soaring, but instead of
quietly disappearing, he chose to stay on RAS and
say pretty much what your post said.
_________________________________________

wrote:

1.) I never did find the soaring community
to be very friendly...

2.) The soaring community and
environment are just too unpleasant...

3.)the soaring community is
responsible for the declining membership...
________________________________________

Now it seems like you are the one taking a swipe
at the "soaring community"

Exactly what type of a response did you think
you were going to get to that post?

Look, I'm really not going to get into a war
of words with you. You want to quit? go ahead.
You don't have to insult all of us on the way out
the door.

I won't respond anymore, so you can have the
last word, and if it is something negative, then
hopefully it will be your last post here.

Good luck in the future.

I do hope you change your perception / mind
about soaring and give it another try sometime
in the future.

Willie Geiselmann

KM

That was my one transgression that you caught, and if you still read it all,
you will see that I was trying to say that 5-BG was not me, as I have back
bone, will sign my posts, and, if I say it here on RAS, I will say it to
your face in in "just as strong of language as Frank Reid" I stand by those
comments, and I do not think this was inciting him to act as he has been. I
still urge calm with the situation, and confidence in the actions of those
trying to fix it.


Brian Glick
"KM" wrote in message
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Brian Glick wrote:
KM

I think you better re-read my posts. I have been urging calm and
civility,
and the means Frank Reid uses on her are not good. I may have siad I
agreed
with some of his points, but not how he is going about it!!!

Brian, I did reread your post and here is a direct quote "I second what
Frank Reid said in just as strong of language".Kinda looks like you are
behind the guy and his conduct.Brian, I dont know what the standards
are in your part of the country, but it may come as a surprise to you
that this sport is not just limited to rich old white guys.I would
suggest that you distance yourself from racist ding dongs like Frank
Reid.

K Urban