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Received my first speed restriction
Yesterday, while wrapping up my complex, high performance instruction in a
Bonanza V35, I received my first speed restriction from ATC during the approach back into the class C airport. "Bonanza XX, do not exceed 150, number two following a Dash 8, cleared ILS 28 approach." After a little more than two years of receiving "maintain best speed" in the 172, this was a pleasant contrast. On the ground, the instructor signed his name under the complex, high- performance endorsement, a little more than 12 hours of instruction later. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Peter, if you haven't already purchased it, I highly recommend you
obtain a copy of John Eckalbar's FLYING THE BONANZA book. There are many things I learned that I did not know nor was I made aware of during my checkout. Regards, Eric |
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"Peter R."
Yesterday, while wrapping up my complex, high performance instruction in a Bonanza V35, I received my first speed restriction from ATC during the approach back into the class C airport. "Bonanza XX, do not exceed 150, number two following a Dash 8, cleared ILS 28 approach." Congrats! My one and only speed restriction (at HPN) went like this "Maule, how slow can you go?", "80 knots", "...reduce speed to 80 knots, your number 2 behind blah blah". What a mess. I did it but it didn't matter... got a missed approach on short final. The controller appeared to be handling, or perhaps coordinating a lot of traffic with other controllers. In any case, he was using speed changes and restrictions to manage it instead of vectors. Problem was that my groundspeed varied about 30 knots throughout the approach. I'm sure that everyones elses did too. Embedded, low energy cells seem to alternately cause headwinds and tailwinds. No way that airspeed management would work on such a day. The 'Bo sounds nice. Hope to get the chance one day. |
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In a previous article, Peter R. said:
approach back into the class C airport. "Bonanza XX, do not exceed 150, number two following a Dash 8, cleared ILS 28 approach." Gee, and I thought it was cool when I was being vectored to the runway at one airport in the flying club's new PA28-236 Dakota and got told "you're going 40 knots faster than the 172 ahead of you. Slow it down." Heh, take that Cessna! -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Last I checked, it wasn't the power cord for the Clue Generator that was sticking up your ass. -- John Novak |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:07:39 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in Message-Id: : ...PA28-236 Dakota and got told "you're going 40 knots faster than the 172 ahead of you. Slow it down." Heh, take that Cessna! With 47% more horsepower, I would hope you'd be faster. |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:28:58 GMT, john smith wrote in
Message-Id: : Peter, if you haven't already purchased it, I highly recommend you obtain a copy of John Eckalbar's FLYING THE BONANZA book. There are many things I learned that I did not know nor was I made aware of during my checkout. Regards, Eric It must be good; they're not givin' it away: http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac... 5461_2:33:73 |
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...PA28-236 Dakota and got told "you're
going 40 knots faster than the 172 ahead of you. Slow it down." Heh, take that Cessna! Fun, ain't it? :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:49:45 -0500, Peter R.
wrote: Yesterday, while wrapping up my complex, high performance instruction in a Bonanza V35, I received my first speed restriction from ATC during the approach back into the class C airport. "Bonanza XX, do not exceed 150, number two following a Dash 8, cleared ILS 28 approach." Wait till you get one that says, "Maintain speed as long as possible":-)) I had been flying safety pilot for a friend who flys a Mooney. Later we brought the Deb over to MBS for some practice. I received one of those "Please maintain speed as long as possible" He remarked later that had he flown the ILS at *that* speed we'd have stopped some where out in the bean field off the other end of the runway. :-)) Right Joe? Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com After a little more than two years of receiving "maintain best speed" in the 172, this was a pleasant contrast. On the ground, the instructor signed his name under the complex, high- performance endorsement, a little more than 12 hours of instruction later. |
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Maule Driver wrote:
My one and only speed restriction (at HPN) went like this "Maule, how slow can you go?", "80 knots" Years ago, I was flying a practice ILS 32 in VMC at CYOW in our Maule: http://www.pittspecials.com/images/maule.jpg and I was asked by ATC for "minimum speed" after glideslope intercept. It was a neat exercise to keep the needles centered under the hood during the airspeed reduction to 50 mph ias. I was grinning away because a cold front had passed, and the wind out of the northwest gave me a nice headwind, so my groundspeed (knots) was in the high teens, which is probably not something ATC sees every day on the ILS ... but they did ask for "minimum speed", didn't they? :-) -- ATP http://www.pittspecials.com/images/oz_down.jpg |
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Roger Halstead wrote:
"Please maintain speed as long as possible" He remarked later that had he flown the ILS at *that* speed we'd have stopped some where out in the bean field off the other end of the runway. :-)) It depends upon the aircraft. Some of the most experienced airshow performers, such as Sean Tucker, Skip Stewart, Freddy Cabanas, etc take advantage of the their wide-chord three-bladed propellors to make high speed straight-in approaches (eg 180 - 200 mph) to very short final. Then, the throttle goes to idle, the drag of the prop pushes you forward into your shoulder harness, and you rapidly slow to a normal approach speed (eg 120 mph) for touchdown. Flying cross-country with two Pitts S-2B's, what I've found works well for large airports is side-by-side at a gentle 150 mph on the glidepath, then as you get quite close, stay a bit high, then chop the throttle and push the nose down so you can see the runway. It makes for a bit of a rapid flare, but you get both aircraft on (and off) the runway in a most expeditious manner. -- ATP http://www.pittspecials.com/images/oz_hh.jpg |
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