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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
"tomcervo" wrote:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote: : Lawson English wrote: : : :I know a lot of Republicans who think we need to get rid of the : :Republicans [in power right now]. Many old-school Republicans don't : :think of neocons as Republicans. : : Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as : Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent. : :They also want a balanced budget, a strong military and intelligent :diplomacy. The bunch in now are acting like looters--run up unpayable :debts here and abroad, and then retire to a gated community, and let :the rabble stew. Now they seem to be saying that they'll let the NEXT :administration decide to leave Iraq--they really seem to think it's up :to the US to decide that. :It's looking like the First Afghan War all over again, especially at :the top. And where did you ever get the idea that a political party MUST be monolithic in ideas, Tom? -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
Lawson English wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote: : Lawson English wrote: : : :I know a lot of Republicans who think we need to get rid of the : :Republicans [in power right now]. Many old-school Republicans don't : :think of neocons as Republicans. : : Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as : Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent. : :So Howard Berkowitz is really a Democrat? You'll find that Howard is well able to speak for himself. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
"John P. Mullen" wrote:
:Nah! The "Neocons" are RHINOs (Republicans in Name Only). One more time, you stupid ******* - what does the 'H' in your "RHINO" stand for? It's RINO! It's also stupid to use it as you do, since it's something the idiot right-wing uses to describe anyone who isn't as extreme as they are. Gods, what an ignorant putz! -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan IsraeliOffensive...
On 8/14/06 10:21 PM, in article , "John P. Mullen"
wrote: tomcervo wrote: Fred J. McCall wrote: Lawson English wrote: Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent. They also want a balanced budget, a strong military and intelligent diplomacy. The bunch in now are acting like looters--run up unpayable debts here and abroad, and then retire to a gated community, and let the rabble stew. Now they seem to be saying that they'll let the NEXT administration decide to leave Iraq--they really seem to think it's up to the US to decide that. It's looking like the First Afghan War all over again, especially at the top. No to mention getting the damn feds out of state's business and fiscal responsibility (not just a balanced budget, but intelligent use of funds). We used to say the Democrats like to tax and spend. These birds just want to spend and spend. John and I can agree on this at least. Federal spending has been hemorrhaging during the Bush administration. My primary complaint with George W. Bush has been his unwillingness or inability to control federal spending. This isn't the Republicanism I thought I knew. That's why I think Bush's presidency is a failure and, I believe, why his approval numbers are so low. Even those of us who agree with Bush on the Iraq War, and his other initiatives against Islamic fascism, think that he has failed on the home front. Bush's fundamentalism, most recently evidenced by his veto of the bill to federally fund stem cell research, is another example of that failure. Grey Satterfield |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
On 13 Aug 2006 15:50:43 -0700, "Walt" wrote:
wrote: See the comments on pages 1 and 2 of the following blog entry: New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive... Thanks for sharing. Most of the guys that post on RAM don't want to hear that the leaders they put so much trust are criminal incompetents -- that's the best inperpretation. I personally thing Bush and Cheney are actively working to undo everything good about this country. I personally "thing" you're an idiot. So what?? Regards, Walt |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
Grey Satterfield wrote:
:On 8/14/06 10:21 PM, in article , "John P. Mullen" wrote: : tomcervo wrote: : Fred J. McCall wrote: : Lawson English wrote: : Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as : Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent. : : They also want a balanced budget, a strong military and intelligent : diplomacy. The bunch in now are acting like looters--run up unpayable : debts here and abroad, and then retire to a gated community, and let : the rabble stew. Now they seem to be saying that they'll let the NEXT : administration decide to leave Iraq--they really seem to think it's up : to the US to decide that. : : It's looking like the First Afghan War all over again, especially at : the top. : : No to mention getting the damn feds out of state's business and fiscal : responsibility (not just a balanced budget, but intelligent use of funds). : : We used to say the Democrats like to tax and spend. These birds just : want to spend and spend. : :John and I can agree on this at least. Federal spending has been :hemorrhaging during the Bush administration. My primary complaint with :George W. Bush has been his unwillingness or inability to control federal :spending. This isn't the Republicanism I thought I knew. That's why I :think Bush's presidency is a failure and, I believe, why his approval :numbers are so low. Yes, but he does have a war on. That tends to wreck any budget. Too large a percentage of the budget is non-discretionary spending. :Even those of us who agree with Bush on the Iraq War, and his other :initiatives against Islamic fascism, think that he has failed on the home :front. Bush's fundamentalism, most recently evidenced by his veto of the :bill to federally fund stem cell research, is another example of that :failure. This is the real failure, to my mind. There was no good reason to veto that bill. There is no 'slippery slope' here that suddenly leads to additional abortions or the death of any embryo not already slated for the dustbin. On the flip side, there was a large potential that this would act to the greater good of everyone; both already born and yet to be born. I seem to recall hearing at some point that a high percentage of the currently existing cell lines have become compromised and are thus not very useful or trustworthy. Having this recorded as his first veto in two terms as President is simply shameful. Having it upheld by Congress is even more shameful. -- You are What you do When it counts. |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan IsraeliOffensive...
Grey Satterfield wrote:
On 8/14/06 10:21 PM, in article , "John P. Mullen" wrote: tomcervo wrote: Fred J. McCall wrote: Lawson English wrote: Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent. They also want a balanced budget, a strong military and intelligent diplomacy. The bunch in now are acting like looters--run up unpayable debts here and abroad, and then retire to a gated community, and let the rabble stew. Now they seem to be saying that they'll let the NEXT administration decide to leave Iraq--they really seem to think it's up to the US to decide that. It's looking like the First Afghan War all over again, especially at the top. No to mention getting the damn feds out of state's business and fiscal responsibility (not just a balanced budget, but intelligent use of funds). We used to say the Democrats like to tax and spend. These birds just want to spend and spend. John and I can agree on this at least. Federal spending has been hemorrhaging during the Bush administration. My primary complaint with George W. Bush has been his unwillingness or inability to control federal spending. This isn't the Republicanism I thought I knew. That's why I think Bush's presidency is a failure and, I believe, why his approval numbers are so low. Even those of us who agree with Bush on the Iraq War, and his other initiatives against Islamic fascism, think that he has failed on the home front. Bush's fundamentalism, most recently evidenced by his veto of the bill to federally fund stem cell research, is another example of that failure. Grey Satterfield Just remember that the Iraqi war and the unbounded spending are connected. You can't spend a few hundred billion dollars on a war and not have it affect spending. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/ This does not count the cost of having our bright, energetic people over in Iraq instead of here, contributing to economic growth or that of young children deprived of a parent early in life. It will be a very long time before this debt is paid off. John Mullen |
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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...
Walt wrote:
wrote: See the comments on pages 1 and 2 of the following blog entry: New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive... Thanks for sharing. Most of the guys that post on RAM don't want to hear that the leaders they put so much trust are criminal incompetents -- that's the best inperpretation. I personally thing Bush and Cheney are actively working to undo everything good about this country. They're certainly a bigger threat than Al Qaida. Too bad the GOP mouthbreathers haven't yet figured it out. ==bob Walt |
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