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"Peter R." wrote in message ... [Who also said:] Nah, just accumulating a lot of IMC experience as of late where the scan is starting to become second nature, rather than demand every last brain cycle like it did when I was a student. I take it you dumped that guy? Nope. He's a 10,000 hour, gray-haired ATP with a lot of experience to share and a very good teacher. I would imagine he only hands out tasks such as these if he has confidence in the instrument pilot taking the IPC. Yeah, you eastern seaboard folks... Out here in the West, it's not unusual to find a 2,000 hour pilot with less than 40 hrs IMC time. |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Out here in the West, it's not unusual to find a 2,000 hour pilot with less than 40 hrs IMC time. I agree, but you all certainly have your daily challenges there as well, such as mountain flying and density altitude. My family is having a reunion/vacation at a resort in Avon, Colorado, in July. There is a towered airport west of Avon and I was considering flying the Bonanza from NY to this airport. However, the fact that I would have to go over the front range to fly into this airport leaves me with two options: 1) Don't fly or 2) Leave a few days early and take a mountain flying course in Denver. I might take option (2), but this would depend on my business schedule. -- Peter |
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Peter R. wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: Nah, just accumulating a lot of IMC experience as of late where the scan is starting to become second nature, rather than demand every last brain cycle like it did when I was a student. Back in my freight hauling days, I can remember reading the Charlotte Disturber while flying hard IFR with no autopilot. Shifting my focus between the newpaper and the instruments wasn't all that tough, but flipping pages was a real bitch. Couldn't do it today. Back then I was flying twice daily Monday through Friday. Now I'm lucky to fly once a month. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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Years ago, when I was training for my instrument at Oak
Grove Airport (Ft. Worth) my instructor was giving me vectors and altitude changes. I did not notice that he had changed the altimeter setting. He had me doing turns and descents...the next things I knew, we landed the 172 with the hood still on my head. It was really an instrument landing. wrote in message ... | Robert M. Gary wrote: | : Did he have you practice Controlled Flight Into Terrain also? | | : Do landings count? | | Touche! | | -- | | ************************************************** *********************** | * Cory Papenfuss * | * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * | * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * | ************************************************** *********************** | |
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Roy Smith writes:
"Matt Barrow" wrote: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: Did he have you practice Controlled Flight Into Terrain also? Do landings count? Touche! How hard do you touche? Depends if your doing a touche and go. Can we please bring this thread to a full stop? Into everyone's life a little nonsense must fall. |
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Yes,
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gregscheetah wrote:
Thanks for everyones response to my question. I would add a note about the practice of stalls and unusual attitude recovery in IMC. I work in the Oil and Gas industry on Catalytic Cracking units. If something goes wrong it is serious (usually only in $, but sometimes lives) However almost nothing ever goes wrong. And when it does, it is almost always because TWO things went wrong. Therefore we never test one thing going wrong, because we never know when the other thing might also go wrong. Imagine practicing stalls in IMC at the moment your vacuum system fails? Or steep turns? Not for me - but others have a high risk tolerance. Thanks for everyones response. Don't you practice partial panel recovery from unusual attitudes? I'll argue that if you aren't proficient at this you shouldn't be flying in IMC at all, let alone doing stalls and steep turns. Matt |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Robert M. Gary wrote: One one instrument proficiency check a few years ago, I had a CFII not only ask me to perform stalls, but also to make two steep turns, all while flying on an IFR flight plan in IMC Seems a bit like asking a student to practice spins on his turn from base to final. Some things seem better to practice simulated. In my aircraft the plane rolls over about 30 degrees in the stall and has a pretty good nose down attitude. I wouldn't be excited to do that in IMC. I actually recover from stalls better under the hood than I do visually. A stall feels much less dramatic to me when I can't see out and I tend to respond faster and smoother than when stalling visually. I would have no fear doing stalls in IMC with a competent instructor along. Alas, one of the most (if not THE MOST) common forms of death in flying. Do you have even a shred of evidence to back up this claim? Steep turns in IMC is lunacy. Sure is, if you don't know how to fly on the gauges. In IMC I'd rather follow the flight director and mine limits bank angles to about 20 degrees. You probably wouldn't be save in IMC without your flight director so I think you are exercising good judgement. Matt |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Peter R. wrote: Matt Barrow wrote: Nah, just accumulating a lot of IMC experience as of late where the scan is starting to become second nature, rather than demand every last brain cycle like it did when I was a student. Back in my freight hauling days, I can remember reading the Charlotte Disturber while flying hard IFR with no autopilot. Shifting my focus between the newpaper and the instruments wasn't all that tough, but flipping pages was a real bitch. Couldn't do it today. Back then I was flying twice daily Monday through Friday. Now I'm lucky to fly once a month. I never flew as much as you, but I once did fly a fair amount of IMC and got to the point that I actually got bored flying down the ILS. Now I'm busy most all of the approach and constantly wondering what I forgot to do! :-) Matt |
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Its funny. In Mexico when you get an IFR clearance they always first
ask you if you're instrument rated. I'd love to know what story is behind that. -Robert |
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