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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Matt Barrow wrote: Yep, looks like about half the "likely voters" feel that way. http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1376 And what's real bad for Hillary is that the groups that likes her the least is the group that votes the most and the group that is the most likely to vote for her is the group that votes the least. i.e.: single females, particularly single moms. Well actually I was referring to the age groups polled. Okay...I gave that point some expansion. I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred Thompson has a HUGH edge on any of the other candidates, particularly Shrillary who he beats like 4:1. I saw that as well but it looks like some of the luster has come off Mr. Thompson's run. I had high hopes for him and have donated to his campaign but I'm concerned his heart really isn't in it. |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred Thompson has a HUGH edge L&O ? -- Jim in NC |
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I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred
Thompson has a HUGH edge L&O ? "Law and Order" Good show, but that sure doesn't make him a better candidate, IMHO. It's scary how our political system works. Personally, the more I see of it, the more I understand and appreciate the Electoral College. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:42:02 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote in : Yea, it's called the North American Union... The first I heard of this was from the mouth of Vincente Fox: http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/category/resistance/ Vicente Fox admits to wanting a North American Union on Jon Stewart Show Stewart’s applauding audience believes flooding the US with illegals, surrendering our sovereignty to Mexico (and vice-versa) and ripping up the US constitution is a good idea apparently [video] Below is some information about this issue: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...American_Union North American Union From SourceWatch Jump to: navigation, search The "plan to create" a North American Union in 2010 as a regional government—comprising a collective government for the United States, Canada, and Mexico—is "directly stated only" in the May 2005 task force report Building a North American Community published by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Jerome Corsi wrote June 26, 2006. The "blueprint" which President George W. Bush is following to create a North American Union was "laid out" in the May 2005 report, Corsi wrote May 19, 2006. "The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union." Bush is "pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada," which, Corsi wrote, is "the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy." The plan, Corsi wrote, is "contained" in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, "little noticed" by the mainstream media when President Bush, Mexico's President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "created it" March 23, 2005, in a summit held at Waco, Texas. A North American Union is being created "through a process of governmental regulations" and without ever "having to bring the issue before the American people for a clear referendum or vote," Corsi wrote May 24, 2006. Contents [hide] 1 Partnership for Prosperity 2 SPP Working Groups 3 NAFTA Super-Highways 4 Permanent Tribunal 5 Biometric Border Pass 6 North American Emergency Management 7 Bilateral and Trilateral Partnerships and Agreements 8 U.S. Legislation & Executive Orders 9 Testimony, Publications and Reports 10 News Releases 10.1 2001 10.2 2002 10.3 2003 10.4 2004 10.5 2005 10.6 2006 11 Published Works 12 External Links 12.1 General Information 12.2 Websites 12.3 Articles & Commentary 12.3.1 Series of Articles 12.3.2 1990-1999 12.3.3 2000-2004 12.3.4 2005 12.3.5 2006 12.3.6 2007 13 Related SourceWatch Resources ... ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8 YouTube - NAFTA Superhighway ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm The NAFTA Superhighway October 30, 2006 By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional oversight or media attention. This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside. This will require coordinated federal and state eminent domain actions on an unprecedented scale, as literally millions of people and businesses could be displaced. The loss of whole communities is almost certain, as planners cannot wind the highway around every quaint town, historic building, or senior citizen apartment for thousands of miles. Governor Perry is a supporter of the superhighway project, and Congress has provided small amounts of money to study the proposal. Since this money was just one item in an enormous transportation appropriations bill, however, most members of Congress were not aware of it. The proposed highway is part of a broader plan advanced by a quasi-government organization called the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” or SPP. The SPP was first launched in 2005 by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco. The SPP was not created by a treaty between the nations involved, nor was Congress involved in any way. Instead, the SPP is an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments. One principal player is a Spanish construction company, which plans to build the highway and operate it as a toll road. But don’t be fooled: the superhighway proposal is not the result of free market demand, but rather an extension of government-managed trade schemes like NAFTA that benefit politically-connected interests. The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution-- which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade. The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union--complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether. A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the 2008 election. Any movement toward a North American Union diminishes the ability of average Americans to influence the laws under which they must live. The SPP agreement, including the plan for a major transnational superhighway through Texas, is moving forward without congressional oversight-- and that is an outrage. The administration needs a strong message from Congress that the American people will not tolerate backroom deals that threaten our sovereignty. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17142 What appears to be going on within SPP.gov is not simply a dialogue, but a massive and on-going re-writing of U.S. administrative law to “integrate” or “harmonize” our administrative law with the corresponding administrative law of Mexico and Canada. A wide range of public policy areas are involved in the SPP re-write of U.S. administrative law, ranging from e-commerce, through air travel, steel policy, textile policy, energy policy, environmental issues, trusted trader programs, trusted traveler programs and biometric cards issued to citizens of the three countries. The resulting “trilateral agreements” are being achieved by SPP all without specific disclosure to the U.S. public or direct oversight examination by Congress. Charges of this magnitude demand we consider the possibility that an executive branch coup d’etat is underway to create a new regional government below the radar of media, public, or congressional understanding or scrutiny. ... ------------------------------------------------ http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes article | posted August 9, 2007 (August 27, 2007 issue) The NAFTA Superhighway Christopher Hayes When completed, the highway will run from Mexico City to Toronto, slicing through the heartland like a dagger sunk into a heifer at the loins and pulled clean to the throat. It will be four football fields wide, an expansive gully of concrete, noise and exhaust, swelled with cars, trucks, trains and pipelines carrying water, wires and God knows what else. Through towns large and small it will run, plowing under family farms, subdevelopments, acres of wilderness. Equipped with high-tech electronic customs monitors, freight from China, offloaded into nonunionized Mexican ports, will travel north, crossing the border with nary a speed bump, bound for Kansas City, where the cheap goods manufactured in booming Far East factories will embark on the final leg of their journey into the nation's Wal-Marts. And this NAFTA Superhighway, as it is called, is just the beginning, the first stage of a long, silent coup aimed at supplanting the sovereign United States with a multinational North American Union. Even as this plot unfolds in slow motion, the mainstream media are silent; politicians are in denial. Yet word is getting out. Like samizdat, info about the highway has circulated in niche media platforms old and new, on right-wing websites like WorldNetDaily, in the pages of low-circulation magazines like the John Birch Society's The New American and increasingly on the letters to the editor page of local newspapers. mo -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom63.htm The truth is, on March 23, 2005, President Bush met at his ranch in Crawford, Texas with Vicente Fox and Paul Martin (then PM of Canada) in what they called a Summit. The three heads of state then drove to Baylor University in Waco, where they issued a press release announcing their signing of an agreement to form the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). This year, on March 31, 2006, Bush. Fox and new Canadian PM, Stephen Harper met in Cancun, Mexico. This time their press release celebrated what they called the first anniversary of the SPP. The use of the word “dialog” is a carefully selected euphemism designed to make the SPP sound like an innocent discussion among friends. To admit that it is anything more would force the government to provide Constitutional justification for its actions. Moreover, the SPP says it won’t change our court system or legislative process and that it respects the sovereignty of each nation. And, says the SPP Myths and Facts document, it strongly rejects the idea that it is creating a European Union-like structure. That defense is almost laughable in light of the massive activity-taking place in the SPP office located in the Commerce Department. First one must know that the European Union was also originally sold to the nations on the European continent as simply a trade and security framework. The idea, said proponents, was to create an economic structure to allow a combined European economy to compete with the United States and other economic powerhouses. Only a few years later nations were told they needed a common currency to provide seamless trade. At the same time, the working groups organizing the EU policy began to morph into what today has become a European Union parliament, which now is working to create a means of taxation, regulation of commerce and a court system. Now, in offices buried in the bureaucratic structures of the United States, Canada and Mexico, twenty “working groups” are hard at work writing policy initiatives for the SPP, covering a wide range of issues including, the manufacture and movement of goods across the borders of the three North American nations: creating a common energy policy and common environmental regulations over the three nations; regulating E-commerce and information communications and technologies; establishing financial services, including loan policy and foreign aid policy; overseeing business facilitation, creating the rules under which businesses will operate in the three nations; establishing food and agriculture policy; and overseeing transportation and health policy. These policy directives will infringe on every aspect of our lives. Can anyone seriously accept the Administration’s explanation that nothing really important is going on here? That this is only a friendly discussion taking place? That nothing will change in the way our government operates? If that were so, then why are we doing it? Why are so much time, money and energy being taken up in an effort that means nothing? The answer, of course, is that lots is going on. It’s no accident that the SPP is working out of the NAFTA office of the Department of Commerce. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was the precursor to the Security and Prosperity Partnership. According to investigative journalist, Jerome Corsi, a key part of the SPP plan is to expand the NAFTA tribunals into a North American Union court system. Under Chapter 11 of the NAFTA Agreement, a tribunal conducts a behind closed-doors “trial” to decide the cases dealing with how state and federal laws may damage NAFTA business. If NAFTA investors believe state or federal laws damage their NAFTA businesses, under the tribunal the investor may sue the government and taxpayers will foot the bill. The NAFTA tribunal decision trumps the U.S. courts, all the way to the Supreme Court. Yet, the Bush Administration insists the SPP will have no effect on our court system. ... ----------------------------------------- http://itshappeninghere.blogspot.com...date-bush.html Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway by Jerome R. Corsi Posted Jun 12, 2006 Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn. Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City. As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality. Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country. * NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., is a “non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world’s first international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.” Where does that sentence say anything about the USA? Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system. * Kansas City SmartPort Inc. is an “investor based organization supported by the public and private sector” to create the key hub on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach involves for most of the country. A brochure on the SmartPort website describes the plan in glowing terms: “For those who live in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality.” * The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce (DOC) an “SPP office” that is dedicated to organizing the many working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP agreement was signed by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation Planning has finalized a plan such that “(m)ethods for detecting bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be constructed or implemented.” The report notes that new SENTRI travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year. The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort. * The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super Highway. A 4,000-page environmental impact statement has already been completed and public hearings are scheduled for five weeks, beginning next month, in July 2006. The billions involved will be provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence, the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra consortium to be operated as a toll-road. ... ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.vdare.com/misc/070416_sheehy.htm April 16, 2007 Chertoff, Gutierrez, Rice: Plotting Bush’s North American Union By Daniel Sheehy Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is a busy guy these days securing our border with Mexico—at least that’s what the "mainstream media" wants Americans to think. During President Bush’s tour of Yuma, Arizona on April 9, we were shown pictures of Bush and Chertoff posing in front of a Predator B unmanned aerial vehicle, implying that the Predator is being used along the border to catch illegal aliens. Other pictures showed Bush pointing to fencing that has been erected at the border since he visited the same spot one year ago. "This border is more secure, and America is safer as a result," the president told several hundred border agents, National Guard personnel, and local law enforcement officials during his visit to Yuma. "I appreciate the hard work of Secretary Michael Chertoff." (Read about Bush’s April 9 tour of Yuma in, The One Hundred Year Fence, by Glenn Spencer, one of the people featured in my book, Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save the Nation. Apparently, a mere 2 ½ miles of double-layered fencing has been constructed along the border with Mexico since Congress approved and Bush signed into law The Secure Fence Act of 2006 just before the November election.) On February 8, in a story titled Immigration drive kicks into high gear by Nicole Gaouette, the Los Angeles Times reported that Chertoff took "members of Congress on a helicopter tour of the southern U.S. border to promote the administration’s stepped-up enforcement measures." Accompanying the story was a photo of Chertoff welding a chunk of fence along the Arizona-Mexico border. These staged photos and appearances are part of a massive propaganda campaign to convince the American people that the border is, or soon will be, under control—so it is time to pass a "comprehensive immigration reform" bill, which is code for a massive new "guest-worker" program and an illegal-alien amnesty. This is why we are increasingly hearing about federal authorities arresting "illegal immigrants" in various cities across the U.S. Of course, arresting a few dozen illegal aliens once a week is barely a drop in the bucket when there are more than 20 million in the U.S. and thousands flooding across the southern border every day. The arrests are not meant to fix the crisis, but just to give the impression that the government is cracking down. In a March 29 story titled "Immigrant plan quietly in the works", the Los Angeles Times’ Gaouette reported that Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez have been meeting several times a week behind closed doors on Capitol Hill with "influential" Republican senators and aides to advance "immigration reform." "We are working very hard on this," Gutierrez was quoting as saying. What the L.A. Times and other elitist-controlled major media outlets do not report is that also behind closed doors, and without legally required congressional oversight, Chertoff and Gutierrez, along with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have been working together for two years on the economic and political merger of the United States with Mexico and Canada. This is why Bush, Chertoff, Gutierrez, and others are pushing so hard for "comprehensive immigration reform." The three conspiratorial Cabinet secretaries are coordinating the gradual integration of the three countries into a borderless North American Union patterned after the European Union. (Here are some interesting facts about these three Cabinet secretaries: Global corporate elitist Gutierrez was earning $7.4 million in 2004 as CEO of Kellogg before becoming Commerce Secretary in early 2005. Rice, before becoming Bush’s National Security Advisor in early 2001, sat on the boards of several multinational corporations, including Chevron, which named an oil tanker after her. Rice was sworn in as Secretary of State in early 2005. Chertoff is co-author of the misnamed Patriot Act, signed into law just six weeks after 9/11. Chertoff was Assistant Attorney General before becoming the second Homeland Security Secretary, also in early 2005. Again, all three were named to their Cabinet posts in early 2005. You will see the relevance of this when you read my bullet points. It also should be noted that when President Bill Clinton fired all U.S. attorneys in 1993, the only one not canned was Chertoff, who was U.S. attorney in New Jersey. I want to know why.) Others traitors are involved in this overthrow of the U.S. government and Constitution, but Chertoff, Gutierrez, and Rice appear to be coordinating the merger for the Bush administration, according to my analysis of government reports and meetings. This also explains why Chertoff has said he won’t build the more than 700 miles of double-layered fencing on our southern border. The promoters of a EU-style North American Union began during the George H.W. Bush administration, with the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which is a developing economic and political union of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. Congress approved the 1,700-page pact into law in 1993 and President Clinton immediately signed it in 1994. George H.W. Bush, a long-time internationalist and former CIA chief who stated his goal for a "new world order" when he was president from 1988-1992, was vice president when President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) in 1986, which rewarded about three million illegal aliens, mostly from Mexico, with amnesty and a path to U.S. citizenship. I wonder how much influence Bush had on Reagan’s decision. So-called "free trade" agreements such as NAFTA benefit the rich and hurt the rest of us, both north and south of our borders. The implementation of NAFTA in 1994 coincides with the largest wave of illegal immigration and drugs into the U.S. from Mexico ever, especially under the current Bush administration. In 2005, "as many as four to 10 million illegal aliens" and tens of millions of pounds of cocaine and marijuana entered the U.S., according to a congressional report titled A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border. Does this mean there were 11,000 to 27,000 new job openings in America every day in 2005? After all, President Bush tells us these "good-hearted" people are just coming here to do jobs Americans won’t do. To the best of my knowledge, the only "mainstream" media outlet reporting those jaw-dropping numbers was the Houston Chronicle on October 17, 2006, when the report was released. I wrote about the report on October 20. The congressional report also states that the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended approximately 650 illegal aliens from countries "that could export individuals that could bring harm to our country in the way of terrorism." Federal law enforcement estimates that only 10 percent to 30 percent of illegals are actually apprehended when they cross the border, according to the report. This means that perhaps thousands of people from countries that could "bring harm" to the U.S. snuck across our southern border in 2005. In addition, the report says, "Members of Hezbollah have already entered the United States across the Southwest border." ... ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo...tate_docss.htm The American Union is Already Here Bush 'super-state' documents sought, FOIA request filed to expose plans for 'North American union' World Net Daily | June 20 2006 RELATED: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway North American Union Already Starting to Replace USA New World Order Chieftans Openly Discuss Dismantling US Border and Bringing Us into the Pan-American Union NAFTA Turned U.S., Canada And Mexico Into Single Giant Market Texas: Keystone State of the FTAA Task force urges creation of 'Fortress America' New PNAC/neocon front group pushing tri-national ID on 9/11 corpse Experts call for common North America border Panel calls for secured border perimeter with U.S., Canada, Mexico Internationalizing US Roads Mexico and U.S. put “Security Perimeter” on fast-track Author Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada that apparently could lead to a North American union, despite having no authorization from Congress. As WorldNetDaily reported, the White House has established working groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005. Corsi specifically has requested the partnership's membership lists, constitutive documents, meeting minutes, meeting agendas and meeting schedules as well as all findings, reports, presentations or memoranda. He also wants all comments to representatives of the "Prosperity Working Groups" or other working groups, committees or task forces associated with the partnership along with internal and external interagency or intra-agency memoranda of understanding, letters of intent, agreements, initiatives and budgeting documents. Corsi believes President Bush effectively agreed to erase U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada when he signed the SPP. ... |
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run. Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which is how it usually works. -- Jim in NC |
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On 2007-10-23 17:38:46 -0700, Larry Dighera said:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:42:02 -0700, "NW_Pilot" wrote in : Yea, it's called the North American Union... The first I heard of this was from the mouth of Vincente Fox: http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/category/resistance/ Vicente Fox admits to wanting a North American Union on Jon Stewart Show Stewart’s applauding audience believes flooding the US with illegals, surrendering our sovereignty to Mexico (and vice-versa) and ripping up the US constitution is a good idea apparently [video] So, if all this giant conspiracy with George Bush involved really exists, why haven't all the Democratic candidates made a major issue of it? -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message ps.com... I heard a few months back that because of his stint on L&O, Fred Thompson has a HUGH edge L&O ? "Law and Order" Good show, but that sure doesn't make him a better candidate, IMHO. No, it doesn't. It's scary how our political system works. When one considers how the majority of people get their news, plus how the public schools "prepare" them to evaluate issues and candidates, it's like a country trying to committ suicide. Personally, the more I see of it, the more I understand and appreciate the Electoral College. One thing I've done these past 10-15 years is to stop blaming "politicians" and targeting more the people that put them in office. |
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote Small parties can drive the big parties by "stealing" votes, so voting for Nader, a Libertarian or a green is not wasted vote. Not in the long run. Unfortunately, that is often exactly what you don't want to see, if the person that would be the "better of the bad" is who they steal from, which is how it usually works. The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up. Neil |
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Neil Gould wrote:
The real problem lies in the bad choices as only options. Considering where we are today, after 8 years of massive and possibly unrecoverable screw-ups on many fronts, those who voted outside "the system" are among the few not culpable. Not that it matters. We really need to wake up. I'm not sure that they are bad choices per se. These candidates are all very accomplished people (except maybe Fred Thompson). The problem is the lack of real leadership. No one wants to say anything definitive for fear of offending someone. We need real leaders, people who aren't afraid to say, "this will be unpopular but we have to do this because of X, Y and Z". Lincoln did it, FDR did it, Johnson did it, Reagan did it. Paint the picture, and pull people together to solve the problems. Honest dialog with a mostly intelligent public. So much of what passes for discourse today is just propaganda spun from both sides of the spectrum and spoon fed to us in the 24hr news cycle. It is poisoning the greatest social experiment the world has ever known, the USofA. KC |
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