High Performance Single Engine Choices

On 10-Dec-2003, (Michael) wrote:

I think what you say is true, but incomplete. There are basically
three ways of dealing with reduced ceilings/visibilities - just say
no, go IFR, or scud run. Someone flying an expensive and fast
airplane clearly bought it to go places - he's not going to be too
interested in just saying no. Lacking an instrument rating, he won't
be able to file IFR. Scud running works OK in airplanes that
COMFORTABLY fly at low speed and can, in a pinch, land off airport and
take off again without damage, but those kinds of airplanes are NOT
fast. It's nothing special about the Cirrus - getting insurance in
ANY fast airplane (Bonanza, Comanche, Viking, Mooney) is signifcantly
more expensive without an instrument rating. And no - hundreds of
hours of accident-free VFR flying don't make any difference if they're
in a C-172 or Cherokee, because the things you can get away with in a
C-172 or Cherokee are going to kill you in a Bonanza or a Cirrus.


You've pretty much nailed it, I think. Unless his/her flying is restricted
to a region like the Southwest desert where IFR conditions are rare, a
non-IR pilot/owner of a high performance airplane just HAS to be viewed as
an elevated risk.

--
-Elliott Drucker

Michael,

Lacking an instrument rating, he won't
be able to file IFR.


How so?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dashi,

Man for those prices you could make a good down payment on a 100 acres and
build your own airstrip.


For those prices, you could easily get an IR ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote
Lacking an instrument rating, he won't
be able to file IFR.

Well, it is against regs. Sure, the controllers don't know, but...

See, there are a lot of people out there who file IFR without an
instrument rating. These people have the skill and knowledge to get
the rating (in fact, I would say on average they are better instrument
pilots than the average instrument rated private pilot) but they don't
get a rating for financial rasons. Don't want to pay to rent a plane
or upgrade, etc.

When you're looking at someone who can afforda Cirrus, that just
doesn't wash.

Michael

(Michael) wrote in news:449a3d6e.0312110721.7a0d258
@posting.google.com:

Thomas Borchert wrote
Lacking an instrument rating, he won't
be able to file IFR.

Well, it is against regs. Sure, the controllers don't know, but...

See, there are a lot of people out there who file IFR without an
instrument rating. These people have the skill and knowledge to get
the rating (in fact, I would say on average they are better instrument
pilots than the average instrument rated private pilot) but they don't
get a rating for financial rasons. Don't want to pay to rent a plane
or upgrade, etc.

When you're looking at someone who can afforda Cirrus, that just
doesn't wash.

Michael


Hrm, I know nothing about what kind of records are kept, but wouldn't
that have the potential to come back and bite you? with perhaps serious
reprocussions?

--
ET

(Future student pilot and future Zenith or Sonex builder)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET wrote
See, there are a lot of people out there who file IFR without an
instrument rating.
Hrm, I know nothing about what kind of records are kept, but wouldn't
that have the potential to come back and bite you? with perhaps serious
reprocussions?

Not unless there's an accident. Records are not kept. The
controllers don't know if you are rated or not, and really they don't
care either. As long as you comply with your clearance and don't
sound worse than average on the radio, the chances of getting caught
are nil. If you're not operating out of a towered field, you might
even use a fake name and tail number.

I know a lot of people who have filed IFR without benefit of rating.
I don't know any who were caught, but I do know at least one who went
on to become a captain for a major airline.

Michael

I know a lot of people who have filed IFR without benefit of rating.
I don't know any who were caught, but I do know at least one who went
on to become a captain for a major airline.

I've never filed IFR illegally, but I know I can fly a very precise
instrument approach by sole reference to my yoke-mounted AvMap. Throw in a
few side references to my VORs, altimeter, and my count-down timer, and I
can practically taxi to my hangar without looking out the window.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I've never filed IFR illegally, but I know I can fly a very precise
instrument approach by sole reference to my yoke-mounted AvMap. Throw in a
few side references to my VORs, altimeter, and my count-down timer, and I
can practically taxi to my hangar without looking out the window.

Heck, any monkey can fly a plane in the soup if the AI, AH, and DG never fail or
drift. I get the impression (I'm VFR) that much of the IFR training involves
dealing with "non-ideal" situations.

If you were flying in IMC and that AvMap went TU, would you be in trouble? :-)

Russell Kent

Jay Honeck wrote:

I've never filed IFR illegally, but I know I can fly a very precise
instrument approach by sole reference to my yoke-mounted AvMap. Throw in a
few side references to my VORs, altimeter, and my count-down timer, and I
can practically taxi to my hangar without looking out the window.

So, when did you say you were getting the rating? :-) It's time. We need you
over on rec.aviation.ifr.

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Dave
--
Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

"Guy Byars" wrote
If you look only at *FATAL* accidents, I think you will find the percentage
of weather related accidents (VFR into IMC) will be much higher.

Your airplane insurance won't cover medical payments (beyond some
trivial amount) or your life, so an accident that totals the plane
costs them the same whether you walk away or die. Of course there's
passenger liability, but that tends to be a small portion of the
insurance payment.

Also, weather related accident does not equal VFR into IMC. In fact,
IFR in IMC accidents account for more fatalities than VFR into IMC.

Michael