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With a "Homebuilt" plane we are always a Test Pilot........ Your
comment would apply in the RAP list though... ps. there is more to this story that will even see the light of day, Ben N801BH Jackson Hole Wy www.haaspowerair.com ChuckSlusarczyk wrote: In article .com, BobR says... Read it earlier today and it clearly shows that somebody owes you a big apology. Sounds like the builder was totally responsible for the modifications made. Good Show Chuck. Thanks Bob. I don't expect one from "you know who" because an apology would require him to have to admit he was wrong .We all know that he thinks he's never wrong but the egg on his face says it all. It hurts to have anyone hurt in one of my planes and it is really heartbreaking to have a fatality especially since I probably knew the person personally. What we can gain from this is to be very careful in preflights, don't make any modifications unless you consult the factory and most of all don't be a test pilot. See ya Chuck S |
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What I found even more interesting was that the glass mirror part of the
tool was completely gone. Missing. I agree that if the tool had gotten itself jammed into the mechanisms that it is entirely possible for the mirror to have been shattered. But they didn't find a TRACE of glass. I suppose it could have popped out whole and then departed the airframe. Jim "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... John was using an inspection mirror during the repairs he was doing.Witnesses reported him using it to see into the boom area by the rear control stick access. The NTSB said they weren't able to simulate a jam up .I bought the identical mirror and on an undamaged aircraft was able to simulate a jam up. The mirror is not part of the equiptment and was found in the wreckage. See ya Chuck S |
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In article .com, stol says...
With a "Homebuilt" plane we are always a Test Pilot........ Your comment would apply in the RAP list though... ps. there is more to this story that will even see the light of day, Ben N801BH Jackson Hole Wy www.haaspowerair.com Hi Ben Your right we are all test pilots in a way ,but when you start making changes to a proven design your even "more" of a test pilot. I worked with the NTSB for over a year on this investigation and the report contains everything we found out. I'd be interested in an "off the record private discussion" about this. As the planes designer I'd like to know about anything that could have contributed to the accident .My work phone is 440 564 1212. See ya Chuck S |
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Hi Chuck, let me say right up front there are alot of your planes
flying and if there was a quirk it would have showed up a long time ago. You can rest your mind in the fact the planes design in its stock form most probably didn't lead to Johns demise. The NTSB guy I met last year was very competent and interested in getting to the bottom of this tragidy. The remains of the plane sat in the hangar right next to my plane for a while and both of us examined it pretty closely on afternoon. The thing that struck me the most was the way the initial investigation at the crash site went. The plane came down in Grand Teton National Park, they first called the NTSB who told the rangar is was an ultralight and they would not get involved, next called was the FAA and they too didn't want a thing to do with it, next call was to the Teton County sheriffs office and they said it's on your turf, you deal with it, the rangar then called the local FBO and asked for someone familier with experimental / ultralights planes to come over and look at the scene. By this time we knew it was fatal and I really didn't want to see John like that. The local flight instructor went over to the site and did some checking, ie, all control surfaces were present , control continunity, etc.. At this stage the rangar wanted the wreakage off their sagebrush so they sent for a flat bed truck and the fire rescue truck with the jaws of life to cut up the plane and cart it off to the local landfill. All the time Mike was telling them it was John Walton and they really needed to preserve "everything". Well, after them cutting up most of the stuff to get it to fit on the flatbed truck in comes a phone call from someone very high up in government telling the rangar to"not" do anything to the plane and take it some where and lock it up. Opps, Too late,,,,,, It did get transported to the park HQ and the next day was driven over to hangar next to mine and locked up. I was probably the last person to speak with him not including the tower guys and he was in good spirits as he taxied by me. Several things need to be put in perspective. First, John was a billionaire, worth something like 18.7 billion, That's equal to 18,700 millionaires for you people that can't add. The potential for foul play goes up pretty fast when you have those assets, hence the phone call from DC Second, John flew his CJ jet several times a week for years and was a good pilot for sure, he even was a crop duster for a few years and those guys can fly a dinner table if they had to, crop duster pilots are either REAL good or REAL dead, real fast, so you can be assured he tried everything in his book not to hit the ground in that attitude. The way this whole thing evolved will preclude not getting an accurate report on his demise. It might have been an accident. It might have been the "perfect murder" We will probably never know now. John will be missed, Godspeed to him...... Ben. ChuckSlusarczyk wrote: In article .com, stol says... With a "Homebuilt" plane we are always a Test Pilot........ Your comment would apply in the RAP list though... ps. there is more to this story that will even see the light of day, Ben N801BH Jackson Hole Wy www.haaspowerair.com Hi Ben Your right we are all test pilots in a way ,but when you start making changes to a proven design your even "more" of a test pilot. I worked with the NTSB for over a year on this investigation and the report contains everything we found out. I'd be interested in an "off the record private discussion" about this. As the planes designer I'd like to know about anything that could have contributed to the accident .My work phone is 440 564 1212. See ya Chuck S |
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Make sure you state the fact this is still not a statement of probable
cause. You wouldn't want to mislead anyone, wouldya? See ya indeed. "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... For those who are interested the NTSB has released the 2nd report on the Walton crash. You can read it in it's entirety at the NTSB site at : http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...FA100& akey=1 See ya Chuck S -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Juan Jimenez" Wrote You wouldn't want to mislead anyone, wouldya? And that comes from the puppeteers fat doll? Owe R. |
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Juan Jimenez wrote: Make sure you state the fact this is still not a statement of probable cause. You wouldn't want to mislead anyone, wouldya? That's about as misleading ... errr, deceptive ....ummm, no, make that fallacious ...aw hell, you're a lying sack of $hit Juan. Must be the company you keep. Read what the man wrote: Chuck Slusarczyk wrote: Officially the probable cause has not been determined by the NTSB at this time. This report is about the facts that were discovered during the course of the investigation. The last report will be the Probable Cause determination which may or may not cite a probable cause. |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:34:44 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
wrote: Make sure you state the fact this is still not a statement of probable cause. You wouldn't want to mislead anyone, wouldya? Any dimwit that had read the whole thread would have seen that Chuck had already pointed that out. "Officially the probable cause has not been determined by the NTSB at this time." --Andy Asberry recommends NewsGuy-- |
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