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Old December 14th 04, 01:40 PM
Cub Driver
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:54:08 GMT, zatatime wrote:

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.


Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields?


Is there a difference?

All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use
airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean. One of them
had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was
a public-use airfield in the process of going private. The others were
more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the
air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends.

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Old December 14th 04, 01:42 PM
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:29:44 -0500, Dana M. Hague
d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote:

I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the
"slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in
Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far
as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of
trouble when I flew it out again the next day


There's a closed army air field not far from Boston. Friend of a
friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to
dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted
to take off.

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Old December 14th 04, 01:45 PM
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:51:17 GMT, zatatime wrote:

(Does Damian use any places to land other than approved landing
facilities for his other program? He'd know enough farmers out there
that he would if he could, and it might shed some light on the
original statement above.)


As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these private
runways were approved by some authority or other.

One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly
used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep
hill.

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Old December 14th 04, 04:15 PM
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Cub Driver wrote:

As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these

private
runways were approved by some authority or other.

One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly
used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep
hill.


They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the
statute:

"except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter, "
Does anyone know where to look for those?

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Old December 14th 04, 05:49 PM
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wrote in message
ups.com...
They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the
statute:

"except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter, "
Does anyone know where to look for those?


Sorry. This was undoubtedly written by lawyers - one of whom you must now
pay to interpret.

Rich S.


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Old December 14th 04, 06:23 PM
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"Rich S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com...
They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the
statute:

"except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter, "
Does anyone know where to look for those?


Sorry. This was undoubtedly written by lawyers - one of whom you must now
pay to interpret.

Rich S.

Well, Richie-Pooh, is suffering from the dark negativism of hysterical
melancholia today, so I'll tell you how to find them. You get the book of
statutes and look at the whole chapter, which will be indexed. A statute
will often refer to another statute and so on, so you read all of them until
you get a general understanding of the legislative policy of that state on
the specific topic you're interested in. Many non-lawyers read and
understand statutes as well as or better than lawyers do. There will also
be references to judicial opinions, attorney general opinions, and
administrative rules on the pages following the statutes you are looking at.
This is true with regard to the statutes in any state I'm familiar with.
If you can't find those statutes on the net, go to a law library. At the
University of Tennessee College of Law library in Knoxville the last I
looked there were codes of laws of just about every state in the USA, in
bound volumes.


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Old December 14th 04, 06:39 PM
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wrote in message
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Cub Driver wrote:

As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these

private
runways were approved by some authority or other.

One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly
used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep
hill.


They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the
statute:

"except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter, "
Does anyone know where to look for those?

--

FF


Which state? For the state you're interested in, start with a net search
using Google. Plug in "north carolina statutes" for example, or "new
jersey statutes."


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Old December 14th 04, 07:21 PM
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:40:30 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use
airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean.

That's what I mean.

One of them
had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was
a public-use airfield in the process of going private.


If it was near Andover it will stay public. Loong sorrowful story on
that one, I worked there for about 10 years. Good news is the town
bought it. Bad news is the town doesn't know what to do with it.
Buildings need some repair, but a flight operation and maintenance
shop (which used to thrive there) would be enough to get it going
again. We're working on getting through.

The others were
more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the
air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends.


Thanks. You've outlined Private/Public strips. I was wondering about
the pasture aspect of it.

z
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Old December 29th 04, 12:04 AM
Dana M. Hague
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:42:39 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

...Friend of a
friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to
dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted
to take off.


Yeah, they told me the same... but when I went down later in the
evening to "check on the plane" there was nobody around, and I figured
(correctly, but barely) that it would be easier to beg forgiveness
than get permission...

On a related note while we're discussing NJ statutes, does anybody
know what the legality is of ultralight operations off other than
approved airfields?

-Dana
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