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Old April 17th 04, 10:24 PM
Dan Luke
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"C J Campbell" wrote:
Seems a number of people have forgotten that liberalism has
abandoned liberal principles.


Yup, and it's distressing to see conservatism in America is doing the
same thing WRT conservative principles.
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Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old April 17th 04, 10:28 PM
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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Yup, and it's distressing to see conservatism in America is doing the
same thing WRT conservative principles.


Bingo again.


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Old April 17th 04, 10:34 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
I think it odd that Democrats call their party the party of
Jefferson. If Jefferson was alive today he'd be vilified by
Democrats as a right wing extremist.


He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine. Free
thinkers are despised by both parties.

". shake off all the fears and servile prejudices, under which weak
minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to
her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson
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Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old April 17th 04, 10:38 PM
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine.


Jefferson godless?


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Old April 17th 04, 10:46 PM
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote:
Seems a number of people have forgotten that liberalism has
abandoned liberal principles.


Yup, and it's distressing to see conservatism in America is doing the
same thing WRT conservative principles.
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Modern conservatives are not traditional conservatives any more than modern
liberals are traditional liberals. Conservatives today seem to be a motley
mix of radicals, anarchists, and brigands. It is especially weird to see the
party of Lincoln (as it calls itself) almost completely taken over by
racists and xenophobes.

I never did figure out how the Democrats, who supported slavery and
generally opposed any form of equal rights, managed to hijack that issue
from the Republicans, who fought to free the slaves, passed the Equal
Housing Act, and enacted many other such reforms. Nor have I figured out how
the Democrats managed to hijack environmentalism from the Teddy Roosevelt
Republicans.

So now you have 'conservatives' running around talking about property rights
and states' rights (originally created to protect slavery) and protecting
large corporations while espousing populist principles. And you have the
'liberals' running around trying to limit free speech and press, disarming
the public, and supporting the worst thugs and despots imaginable in other
countries in the name of 'diversity' and 'tolerance.'


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Old April 17th 04, 10:47 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine.


Jefferson godless?


Apparently deists are thought to be godless.


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Old April 17th 04, 10:50 PM
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Wish the government would buy 2 airports near me, 1 airport's runway housing
semi trailers the other is going to be destroyed by a developer that will
only leave 1 airport here that the city owns but for how long who knows?


"Jason Peterson" wrote in message
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The local small airport near me was bought by the government to stop it

from
being bought by a home builder. Now tell me that it is the free market at
work there. The land is worth millions, but the government wants to keep

it
an airport. I guess government spending is not so bad after all!!!

Jason


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"Bill Denton" wrote in message
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How much did you pay the FAA last year, other than the same
amount that non-flyers in your tax bracket paid?


Considerably more, as the primary source of FAA funding is user taxes

which
are not paid by non-flyers.






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Old April 17th 04, 10:58 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
He'd also be vilified by Republicans as a godless libertine.


Jefferson godless?


He wasn't, of course. And I should have said "many Republicans," since
the influence of Bible-inerrancy believing fundamentalists has not
entirely pervaded the party.
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Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old April 17th 04, 11:11 PM
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

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Then why the fight against gay marriage?




What fight against gay marriage?

You've just gone a long way toward's blowing whatever credibility you
might have
with this statement.





Why the fight against abortion?




Because all current abortion methods kill a child. When an abortion
procedure is developed that does not kill the child the fight against
abortion will end.

Actually, there are several methods available that already are acting
to prevent abortions,
with Planned Parenthood being one of their leading proponents. The fall
under the general
category of "birth control procedures", and people generally learn about
them through
something called "sex education".

While I am firmly pro-choice, I am willing to admit that the
anti-abortion side (which is
not necessarily pro-life, so I won't call it such) does have a point.
Most anti-abortionists
I've encountered, though, have absolutely no interest in preventing the
procedure. What
they want to do is _stop_ it, because prevention is much harder and
involves other
things that the anti-abortionists are uncomfortable with - things like
making sure that
teenagers know the "facts of life", or that all women have affordable
access to birth
control and health care.

If you've waited until little Debbie is pregnant, you've lost your
chance to prevent an
abortion, period. All you can do now is stop it, but don't call it
prevention.

Rich Lemert




 




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