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New Charts to have DC ADIZ on them
I saw that item in AOPA's web site and found one other interesting
thing: According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ to them every two months. --WTF? Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC? Grrrrrrr... ~( Jake Brodsky, PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME Amateur Radio Station AB3A |
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"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ to them every two months. --WTF? Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC? The FAA still implements the airspace restrictions even if said restrictions are at the behest of other organizations. My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not justified? -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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Just do what Mayor Daley did to Meigs Field in Chicago when he didn't get
the restrictions he wanted...just take a backhoe out to Reagan at 3:00 in the morning and cut big "X"'s the length of the runways! "John T" wrote in message ws.com... "Jake Brodsky" wrote in message According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ to them every two months. --WTF? Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC? The FAA still implements the airspace restrictions even if said restrictions are at the behest of other organizations. My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not justified? -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:13:01 GMT, "John T" wrote:
My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not justified? And I'll pose another question right back: HOW can the FAA say the that the restrictions are not justified? They don't even work for the same department! The only justification the FAA could offer is that the ADIZ is ineffective. The appropriate response would be to tie both the FAA and the pilot community in to even bigger knots and to jump through even more hoops. The FAA may be inefficient, but like any government agency, they know how to protect their own from an unwinnable battle. I don't see how your hypothetical scenario could ever happen. Jake Brodsky, PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME Amateur Radio Station AB3A |
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Jake Brodsky wrote:
I saw that item in AOPA's web site and found one other interesting thing: According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ to them every two months. --WTF? Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC? Yes, and that's why it's a farce. Every 2 months, the FAA will tell Congress "The Department of Homeland Defense, as well as the Secret Service, is requiring it", and nothing else will happen. --- Jay -- __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino/ ! ! ! Checkout http://www.oc-adolfos.com/ for the best Italian food in Ocean City, MD and... Checkout http://www.brolow.com/ for authentic Blues music on Delmarva |
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"John T" wrote in message ws.com... My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not justified? I believe the FAA already believes the restrictions aren't justified. Unfortunately they aren't running the show. |
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"Jake Brodsky" wrote in message
I don't see how your hypothetical scenario could ever happen. "I have a dream..." -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
I believe the FAA already believes the restrictions aren't justified. Unfortunately they aren't running the show. That's my understanding, as well, which is why I think Jay is correct in that the FAA will continue to say: "Other government agencies are providing 'clear and credible' evidence that these restrictions are necessary." -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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Jake Brodsky wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:13:01 GMT, "John T" wrote: My question is: What will happen if the FAA says the restrictions are not justified? And I'll pose another question right back: HOW can the FAA say the that the restrictions are not justified? They don't even work for the same department! The FAA has really only one answer: we're told to do this. - Andrew |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:03:29 -0500, Jake Brodsky
wrote: I saw that item in AOPA's web site and found one other interesting thing: According to AOPA, Congress is requiring the *FAA* to justify the ADIZ to them every two months. --WTF? Shouldn't this request have been made of the Department of Homeland Security? How did this thing get so sidetracked? Does anyone think the FAA wants anything to do with an ADIZ over Washington DC? I saw the article on aopa.org as well... I was thinking that it was a typo, that Congress is requiring DHS to justify it, because otherwise, well, it makes no sense. However... http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...108_cong_bills (watch the wrap) TITLE VI--AVIATION SECURITY SEC. 602. JUSTIFICATION FOR AIR DEFENSE IDENTIFICATION ZONE. (a) In General.--If the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration establishes an Air Defense Identification Zone (in this section referred as an ``ADIZ''), the Administrator shall transmit to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate, not later than 60 days after the date of establishing the ADIZ, a report containing an explanation of the need for the ADIZ. The Administrator also shall transmit to the Committees updates of the report every 60 days until the ADIZ is rescinded. The reports and updates shall be transmitted in classified form. (b) Existing ADIZ.--If an ADIZ is in effect on the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall transmit an initial report under subsection (a) not later than 30 days after such date of enactment. (c) Description of Changes To Improve Operations.--A report transmitted by the Administrator under this section shall include a description of any changes in procedures or requirements that could improve operational efficiency or minimize operational impacts of the ADIZ on pilots and controllers. This portion of the report may be transmitted in classified or unclassified form. (d) Definition.--In this section, the terms ``Air Defense Identification Zone'' and ``ADIZ'' each mean a zone established by the Administrator with respect to airspace under 18,000 feet in approximately a 15- to 38-mile radius around Washington, District of Columbia, for which security measures are extended beyond the existing 15-mile no-fly zone around Washington and in which general aviation aircraft are required to adhere to certain procedures issued by the Administrator. So I guess it is the FAA, which is pretty dumb. Also, it looks like the 60 day updates are classified... Also, under TITLE VIII - Miscellaneous: SEC. 823. GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS AT RONALD REAGAN WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT. (a) Security Plan.--The Secretary of Homeland Security shall develop and implement a security plan to permit general aviation aircraft to land and take off at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. (b) Landings and Takeoffs.--The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall allow general aviation aircraft that comply with the requirements of the security plan to land and take off at the Airport except during any period that the President suspends the plan developed under subsection (a) due to national security concerns. (c) Report.--If the President suspends the security plan developed under subsection (a), the President shall submit to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure a report on the reasons for the suspension not later than 30 days following the first day of the suspension. The report may be submitted in classified form. Where's this plan? aw |
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