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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many kontiki millions for special development projects over the kontiki years. What I would find interesting is to know if any of kontiki them ever made a dime out of their "investment". You aren't much of an engineer if you don't know the origin of the Internet, just one example to your implied question above. kontiki When you have to convince a group of private investers to kontiki put up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product kontiki you have to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that kontiki what you are doing will end up a viable product. And you don't understand the origins of engineering either. You think private is going to invest in fundamental science discovery? Private investment and companies have a place. Government has a place. What doesn't have a place in an industrial, or post-industrial, democratic society is leaders ignorant of the scientific process, unable and unwilling to try to understand other opinions, and examine--or even acknowledge--that other countries are doing well for their people without all the dogmatism and blind faith crap. But that requires using the frontal cortex, an energy-intensive activity, and strange to the back-slapping, glad-handing bozos so often running things now. -- If you are a happy employee does that make you 'gruntled' ? - Jack Handey |
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Jim Logajan wrote:
kontiki wrote: Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary. I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and really didn't know squat. What engineering discipline are you trained and licensed in? Software... systems architecture and database design, real time. I've never been required to be "licensed". |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Bob Fry wrote:
"kontiki" == kontiki writes: kontiki I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many kontiki millions for special development projects over the kontiki years. What I would find interesting is to know if any of kontiki them ever made a dime out of their "investment". You aren't much of an engineer if you don't know the origin of the Internet, just one example to your implied question above. Oh come on Bob, give me a break. I can see now it is impossible to have a conversation with you. kontiki When you have to convince a group of private investers to kontiki put up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product kontiki you have to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that kontiki what you are doing will end up a viable product. And you don't understand the origins of engineering either. You think private is going to invest in fundamental science discovery? Private investment and companies have a place. Government has a place. What doesn't have a place in an industrial, or post-industrial, democratic society is leaders ignorant of the scientific process, unable and unwilling to try to understand other opinions, and examine--or even acknowledge--that other countries are doing well for their people without all the dogmatism and blind faith crap. Blaind faith crap? Oh you mean all those wonderful promises of 'universal health care' and so forth all the politicians keep talking about? HAhahahahaaa But that requires using the frontal cortex, an energy-intensive activity, and strange to the back-slapping, glad-handing bozos so often running things now. Yeah... the glad-handing bozos in Washington DC. I give up with you. |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
On Jun 6, 4:54 pm, Bob Fry wrote:
"kontiki" == kontiki writes: kontiki I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many kontiki millions for special development projects over the kontiki years. What I would find interesting is to know if any of kontiki them ever made a dime out of their "investment". You aren't much of an engineer if you don't know the origin of the Internet, just one example to your implied question above. kontiki When you have to convince a group of private investers to kontiki put up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product kontiki you have to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that kontiki what you are doing will end up a viable product. And you don't understand the origins of engineering either. You think private is going to invest in fundamental science discovery? Private investment and companies have a place. Government has a place. What doesn't have a place in an industrial, or post-industrial, democratic society is leaders ignorant of the scientific process, unable and unwilling to try to understand other opinions, and examine--or even acknowledge--that other countries are doing well for their people without all the dogmatism and blind faith crap. But that requires using the frontal cortex, an energy-intensive activity, and strange to the back-slapping, glad-handing bozos so often running things now. -- If you are a happy employee does that make you 'gruntled' ? - Jack Handey Bob, Don't waste your breath on Kontiki. He is a smug know-it-all who thinks that he has all the answers. Read all his posts and you will see what I mean. I have met too many geeks like him in our profession. He thinks he has all the answers until the day the axe falls on his neck and then he will scream louder than anyone else. Dean |
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Recently, kontiki posted:
Neil Gould wrote: One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican "debate" was the number of candidates that are completely clueless about what science is and is not. Oh I totally agree... and so are all the democrat candidates. Most of your politicians in Washington are totally cluless about a lot of things, not just technology. We need some fresh meat/// people who have held actual real jobs, or run companies. Considering how many companies are run, I don't think that would help much. Take a look at the US auto industry for a hint of how to do things stupidly. They only had a couple of decades to get a clue. Neil |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki Software... systems architecture and database design, kontiki real time. That is not an engineering discipline. It's certainly a valuable technical discipline, and even has a sprinkling of science in it (relational DB theory), but it's not engineering. -- I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. - Jack Handey |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
On Jun 6, 3:25 pm, kontiki wrote:
Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary. I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and really didn't know squat. If you or anyone else who actually hires engineers has anything constructive to say about the holes in American engineering education, as one of the people who can actually do something about it, I want to hear the suggestions. Please note that for email contact, I'm now at cal state northridge (csun) rather than utdallas. RW Mehler, Ph.D. Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering California State University Northridge |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Stem cell research is not illegal in the US.
I stand corrected. It was my impression that it was not possible to obtain any but a few stem cell lines here in the US. Since stem cell lines are rather critical in doing stem cell research, it is better to go offshore. So, do you have another example of scientific research that is being moved offshore because it is illegal in the US? Research in illegal drugs comes to mind (marijuana for cancer, for example). I don't know if this is being "moved offshore" or not however. Research in evolution... well, it's not illegal in most states, but teaching it is illegal in some states (or is bundled with teaching superstition as science). Lose the researchers to superstition when they are young, and you won't have to make research illegal. Nobody will even know what research =is=. Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
On Jun 6, 7:46 pm, Bob Fry wrote:
"kontiki" == kontiki writes: kontiki Software... systems architecture and database design, kontiki real time. That is not an engineering discipline. It's certainly a valuable technical discipline, and even has a sprinkling of science in it (relational DB theory), but it's not engineering. -- I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. - Jack Handey Bob, I agree. Software architecture and database design is not engineering. It is a technical trade. Dean |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Much of the private-sector research of the kind that used to be done
by Bell Labs is no more, a victim of tax laws. There is plenty of government-funded research a-la NASA, Sandia, and Universities. Research may go offshore at some point, but the new capitalists in eastern Europe, China, and India need to pick the low-hanging fruit associated with cheap development and manufacturing engineering before they can look at stuff that takes decades to pay off. There is a shift in sources of innovation to the extent that it lies in the intersections between academic discipllines, rather than in the depths of the disciplines themselves, and some North American universities seem to be in the process of sorting that out. Don |
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