Keeping the Hangar Clear of Snow

Not that I want any more people moving to Arizona, but Arizona is a lot more
than hot summer desert. We also have mountains, canyons and high grasslands
all having their own unique climates.

I can drive 45 minutes south from Tucson and be dry and 90 instead of dry
and 105. I can drive 45 minutes and be at the top of a 9000' mountain in
pines, aspens and firs with temps in the 70's. In the summer you pick the
cooler destinations and in winter the warmer.

Using an airplane we can fly VFR to many of those kinds of places all year
round. We may miss our $100 hamburger 3 or 4 times a year because of
weather. Here it's hard to justify buying a 396.

--
Best Regards,
Mike
http://photoshow.comcast.net/mikenoel
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:gl7of.630053$_o.98247@attbi_s71...
I'll tell you what -- if this crazy fall is any indication of what
winter will bring, I'll be with you 100%...

Choose carefully. Last Friday, the Texas stockbroker on NPR said it was
15 degrees down there. And they get hurricanes there and in the
southeast, so you don't want to go there. Maybe Arizona?

Just so I can broil from April till October? Nah. Maybe someday, when I
can be a snowbird, but I couldn't stand living there year 'round. My
eyes just crave the intense green of spring in the Midwest, after a week
in the desert.

Kinda like this:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...air%206-05.jpg

and this:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...%20%206-05.jpg

I don't think there is a perfect climate, outside of Southern
California -- and that area has pretty much been ruined, sadly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You can fly around the island you are on. Every island has at least one
airport. Oahu, Maui and Hawaii have several. And you can fly from
island to island. But once you do all that, there isn't much of
anywhere else you can fly that is within range. Nothing at all for
thousands of miles (well there is Midway, with one airport).

My sister lives on Oahu and she has neither heat nor air conditioning
in her house. It's a nice climate, and a lot of variety (desert,
jungle, mountains and beaches), but there is NO PLACE TO GO. I get
island fever. Also, aluminum corrodes something fierce over there. My
sisters window frames all have white aluminum dust on the bottom
tracks. It's scary to think what would happen to an aluminum plane in
that environment. There are, however, some GA aircraft and at least
three flight schools in the state.

In article gl7of.630053$_o.98247@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Choose carefully. Last Friday, the Texas stockbroker on NPR said it was 15
degrees down there. And they get hurricanes there and in the southeast, so
you don't want to go there. Maybe Arizona?

Just so I can broil from April till October? Nah. Maybe someday, when I
can be a snowbird, but I couldn't stand living there year 'round. My eyes
just crave the intense green of spring in the Midwest, after a week in the
desert.

Remember last month or so, Jay was discussing finding a second lodging
site to invest in, somewhere in the south? Now we know exactly why!

wrote in message
oups.com...

Jay Honeck wrote:
I don't think there is a perfect climate, outside of Southern
California --
and that area has pretty much been ruined, sadly.

ain't that the truth. My friend who lives there has a house with no
a/c and no insulation, and they don't need either, and their backyard
really is part of their everyday living space, basically all year
round. Then you leave their house to drive somewhere and oh crap.

And they probably paid something like $1.7 million for 800sqft of living
space, didn't they?

(I'm being a smart ass ... sort of ... it's this willingness our friends to
the west have when it comes to paying way too much for way too little that's
really screwing up the Phoenix market right now.)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

Doug wrote:

You can fly around the island you are on. Every island has at least one
airport. Oahu, Maui and Hawaii have several. And you can fly from
island to island. But once you do all that, there isn't much of
anywhere else you can fly that is within range. Nothing at all for
thousands of miles (well there is Midway, with one airport).

My sister lives on Oahu and she has neither heat nor air conditioning
in her house. It's a nice climate, and a lot of variety (desert,
jungle, mountains and beaches), but there is NO PLACE TO GO. I get
island fever. Also, aluminum corrodes something fierce over there. My
sisters window frames all have white aluminum dust on the bottom
tracks. It's scary to think what would happen to an aluminum plane in
that environment. There are, however, some GA aircraft and at least
three flight schools in the state.


The topic was keeping the hangar clear of snow. In Hawaii this isn't a
problem.


Matt

Jay Beckman wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Jay Honeck wrote:

I don't think there is a perfect climate, outside of Southern
California --
and that area has pretty much been ruined, sadly.

ain't that the truth. My friend who lives there has a house with no
a/c and no insulation, and they don't need either, and their backyard
really is part of their everyday living space, basically all year
round. Then you leave their house to drive somewhere and oh crap.


And they probably paid something like $1.7 million for 800sqft of living
space, didn't they?

And even funnier is that they measure their lot sizes in the same units
as their house sizes ... square feet. I thought that was a joke when an
employee brought back a real estate listing from Garden Grove a few
years ago when I had to transfer him out there.

Matt

On 12/15/2005 15:35, Matt Whiting wrote:
Doug wrote:

You can fly around the island you are on. Every island has at least one
airport. Oahu, Maui and Hawaii have several. And you can fly from
island to island. But once you do all that, there isn't much of
anywhere else you can fly that is within range. Nothing at all for
thousands of miles (well there is Midway, with one airport).

My sister lives on Oahu and she has neither heat nor air conditioning
in her house. It's a nice climate, and a lot of variety (desert,
jungle, mountains and beaches), but there is NO PLACE TO GO. I get
island fever. Also, aluminum corrodes something fierce over there. My
sisters window frames all have white aluminum dust on the bottom
tracks. It's scary to think what would happen to an aluminum plane in
that environment. There are, however, some GA aircraft and at least
three flight schools in the state.


The topic was keeping the hangar clear of snow. In Hawaii this isn't a
problem.

Except perhaps black snow ... but I guess that isn't freezing ;-)



Matt


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

"Jim Burns" wrote in message news
Hi Jim,

Urea is 46% N.

Not necessarily. It is cut with water at the manufacturing plant. The stuff that goes to feedlots is usually 70%...
sometimes 50%. The higher concentrations "salt out" faster and solidify. IIRCC 70% salts out at + or - 134 deg. F.
it is hauled in insulated trailers, usually with a steam coil inside like asphalt trailer have. The trailers are
usually stainless.

We buy and use it by the truck load on the farm.

How in the heck can you afford it? :' )

Some time
when you don't have anything better to do, stop by your local fertilizer
co-op. Take a look at their trucks or ask them to see the equipment that
they spread or haul urea with. If it isn't wood, plastic, stainless steel,
or brand new it will have corrosion, pitting, and rust. If aluminum wasn't
affected by urea, we'd use aluminum tanks, hoppers, mixers, conveyors and
augers rather than stainless, everything would be a LOT lighter. Granted,
urea isn't AS corrosive as phosphates and potassiums, but urea by itself
will corrode aluminum. It will corrode copper. It will corrode steel.
I've got plenty of equipment around here that is specifically used to handle
urea and other nitrogen fertilizers that can testify to that. An airplane
makes a well balanced diet for urea.

The piping, exchanger tubes, and vessels are usually 316 or 304 stainless in the manufacturing facilities just for
the reasons you cite.

Joe Schneider
Cherokee 8437R
ex-Urea plant operator & poor farmer / rancher who can't afford to top dress his wheat this spring.



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"Mike Noel" wrote in message
...
Not that I want any more people moving to Arizona, but Arizona is a lot
more than hot summer desert. We also have mountains, canyons and high
grasslands all having their own unique climates.

I can drive 45 minutes south from Tucson and be dry and 90 instead of dry
and 105. I can drive 45 minutes and be at the top of a 9000' mountain in
pines, aspens and firs with temps in the 70's. In the summer you pick the
cooler destinations and in winter the warmer.

Using an airplane we can fly VFR to many of those kinds of places all year
round. We may miss our $100 hamburger 3 or 4 times a year because of
weather. Here it's hard to justify buying a 396.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Mike,

Sssssssssshhhhhhhhh,

You'll give away all our secrets!

(FWIW, there is an outstanding show that pops up from time to time on the
Hi-Def network "INHD" called Above Arizona: An Aerial Tour. It's a
fabulous showcase of the diversity to which Mike aludes.)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:

You can fly around the island you are on. Every island has at least one
airport. Oahu, Maui and Hawaii have several. And you can fly from
island to island. But once you do all that, there isn't much of
anywhere else you can fly that is within range. Nothing at all for
thousands of miles (well there is Midway, with one airport).

My sister lives on Oahu and she has neither heat nor air conditioning
in her house. It's a nice climate, and a lot of variety (desert,
jungle, mountains and beaches), but there is NO PLACE TO GO. I get
island fever. Also, aluminum corrodes something fierce over there. My
sisters window frames all have white aluminum dust on the bottom
tracks. It's scary to think what would happen to an aluminum plane in
that environment. There are, however, some GA aircraft and at least
three flight schools in the state.


The topic was keeping the hangar clear of snow. In Hawaii this isn't a
problem.


Matt

Problem solved.