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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote: In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will to resist" which has NEVER happened. Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over. Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers. -- A cakewalk to a death march in three easy neocon steps. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3722 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Zionism http://www.giwersworld.org/disinfo/disinfo.phtml a4 |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Ken Chaddock wrote:
.... This guy also seems to ignore As preamble I have a practical understanding of it and its limitations. the US's truly prodigious capability to move people and goods by air... And if you look it you will discover it is all shock force troops to hold an area until the bulk of the troops arrive by conventional means. You will also learn it is a fair weather capability and anyone can download satellite images and predict the weather. which the Iranians would have virtually no ability to block...also the US's ability to rain destruction onto Iran from above...even without going nuclear...which, if "properly" implemented (don't hit civilian targets at all and stay away from military targets that have a higher probability of collateral damage) against the Iranian military only...would tend to destabilize the mullahs and either destroy Iran's ability to make war OR bottle the Iranian armed forces up in their cities... The destruction from above would play well at home and it might even be true that no civilians were harmed. But in the middle east it will be portrayed as targeting civilians and everyone there will believe it. Look at what Americans still believe about WWII if you don't think that will happen. As for aerial bombing I repeat, it failed in Germany during WWII. It increased not decreased the will to resist. It has increased the will to resist every time it has been tried. Both Vietnams, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Serbia you name it. It has always been troops on the ground that have been the deciding factor. For the US in Afghanistan it was the alliance with the drug lords and their mercenaries that provided the troops. Why in the world would you talk about bottling up Iranian troops in the cities as troops are not stationed in cities in the first place? In any confrontation they would be augmenting the Shia in the south and east of Iraq cutting off the land resupply from Kuwait. There is no way the US has the ability to air supply what is brought in from Kuwait. And if that is tried ****loads of shoulder fired AA rockets are going to find their way into Iraq to bring them down. Am I pessimistic? The last I heard planes landing at Baghdad airport still spiral in to avoid fire from the ground. Last I heard which was only six months ago the FIVE MILES of city street from the airport to the Green Zone still is NOT secured. Please tell me how all this is suddenly going to turn around. If the mullahs could be shown to be ineffective against the US while at the same time being hammered relentlessly militarily and causing "a little" discomfort to the Iranian people only, the mullahs will lose credibility with their own people and would likely be overthrown...from within. And that is on the assumption that Iranians are really Americans trying to get out from under the religious leadership. If they are overthrown they will be replaced by some group that is more effective against the American attacks. That is exactly what Americans would do if this country were under attack and losing because of incompetent leadership. Why do you assume Iranians would do differently from Americans? Remember, the only place in the Muslim world where there were spontaneous demonstrations of SORROW and SADNESS and in SUPPORT of the US after 9/11 was in IRANIAN cities...for God sake, built of that, don't squander it like Bush senior and Bush junior did in Iraq... It was squandered on Iran when the US attacked Afghanistan three months after 9/11 without justification and based upon a war announced in MARCH 2001. It was not the only place. Despite the Zionists lies the Palestinians also expressed sympathy while Netanyahu said 9/11 was a good thing for Israel. -- Before the Iraq war Brad Pitt was ridiculed for filming kite flying in Baghdad. Looks like he was right. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3730 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Lawful to bomb Israelis http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/bombings.phtml a11 |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Ken Chaddock wrote:
When considering US superior technology here is a question that a far from a trick question. The US constantly boasts of its night vision technology as a decisive superiority capability. What is the cheapest and easiest method to nullify that advantage that requires no extra effort or expenditure? I have had lots of guesses on that from bonfires to flares but none have gotten it right the first time. Care to make a guess? -- The WWII holocaust is the only one which the victims do not want investigated. It is also the only one where reparations are being paid. That is an odd combination. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3736 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1 |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Matt Giwer wrote:
What is the cheapest and easiest method to nullify that advantage that requires no extra effort or expenditure? Attack by day? I can't think of any practical way of preventing heat emission except by insulation. Bob Kolker |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Matt Giwer wrote: Robert Kolker wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will to resist" which has NEVER happened. Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over. Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers. Giwer is a nazi. That's the level of clever you're dealing with |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
george wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote: Robert Kolker wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will to resist" which has NEVER happened. Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over. Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers. Giwer is a nazi. That's the level of clever you're dealing with And George is too stupid to know what a nazi is. What else is new? -- We know Bush is serious on Iraq. He changed slogans. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3720 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Iraqi democracy http://www.giwersworld.org/911/armless.phtml a3 |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
george wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: Robert Kolker wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will to resist" which has NEVER happened. Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over. Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers. Giwer is a nazi. That's the level of clever you're dealing with Giwer may or may not be a Nazi but he on this one he is also right, (a stopped clock is right twice a day). Japan had did not only surrender because of THE BOMB. US had total air superiority was bombing Japan on a daily basis with conventional weapons, more people died in the fire bombing of Tokyo a few weeks before than in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Japan was dependant on imports for Food and Fuel, and US Submarines had sunk the vast majority of the Japanese Merchant Fleet and most of the Japanese Navy was also at the bottom of the Pacific by this time. Total Naval blockade was already condemning Japan to starvation and a simultaneous Oil embargo. On land Stalin's forces were taking Manchuria that week, heading into Korea and before the end of the year would be preparing for invasion of the Home Islands. UK was moving forces freed up from Europe so was in the process of taking back SE Asia, and had a Pacific Fleet again for the first time in 4 years. US had a real plan to invade and occupy the Home Islands and Japan knew it. The UK and Empire by mid 46 would be in a position to provide sufficient troops to be arguing for an occupation zone of Japan, the US neither needed the troops nor wanted the future political complications of a joint occupation and that's before you think about the Red Army. Oh and of course in 1945 something like 90% plus of the nations on the planet were in a declared state of War with Japan. An unprovoked Nuclear attack on Iran by either the US or Israel with the support of no other nation on the planet except each other would provoke the reaction from Iran that 9/11 provoked in the US "how do we hit back". The rest of the Muslim world would support Iran against what would be seen as Genocidal monsters, most of the rest of the planet would initially be sympathetic to Iran. 24/7 pictures on CNN, Al-Jazeera, Star, Sky, etc etc pictures of Iranian corpses and irradiated children. Major risk is a coup in Pakistan which puts existing Nuclear weapons into the hands of hard line Islamic regime. Other risk is reaction in Iraq, last summer the elected Iraqi government backed Hezbullah in the war with Lebanon much to the shock of US politicians, it is possible that you would end up with direct fighting between US and Iraqi Army as well as mass revolt in Shia south, attacks from both major Shia militias Badr Brigades, and Mahdi Army which at present are not attacking US troops. |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Dan wrote:
george wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: Robert Kolker wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will to resist" which has NEVER happened. Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over. Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers. Giwer is a nazi. That's the level of clever you're dealing with Giwer may or may not be a Nazi but he on this one he is also right, (a stopped clock is right twice a day). Disagreeing with WWII propaganda is the easiest way to be right. If you actually look at it when it is available without comment you have to ask why your parents/grandparents were stupid enough to fight that war. "Why we fight" couldn't sell air conditioning to Floridians it is so primitive and stupid. And yet every reason today is based upon making that propaganda sound sophisticated. No one today would fight WWII in Europe for any reason given at the time. Of course we can assume our parents were idiots but that does not explain how their children are suddenly so smart. Would you join with the communists to fight the Nazis? Would you join with the colonial masters of a billion people to fight the Nazis? A modern person would join the Nazis to free a billion people from colonial domination and end communism. Or at least stay out of it and let them destroy each other for the fun of it. The US only got into the war in Europe because Germany declared war on the US for legitimate cause according to international law at the time. That cause only existed because the US was attacking German U-Boats as cited in Germany's DoW on the US from an FDR fireside chat announcement. -- Bush's reason for staying in Iraq is the disaster he caused by invading. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3715 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Old Testament http://www.giwersworld.org/bible/ot.phtml a6 |
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Rogue State of Israel Threatens Tactical Nuke Strikes on Iran
Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote: What is the cheapest and easiest method to nullify that advantage that requires no extra effort or expenditure? Attack by day? I can't think of any practical way of preventing heat emission except by insulation. So now I have to say only one person got it right the first time. That is precisely the point. Every strength is limited and can be negated as it is predicated upon a specific tactic. Night fighting is predicated upon enemy troops being massed at night instead of being at home in bed as in Iraq. If you cannot stand and fight then kill without doing that. If you get perfect armor they learn to spray poison gas. If they cannot be defeated never fight them. Just cause enough trouble they get called and then go away. Fake trouble calls. Let them kill the innocent as you can recruit the survivors. Attack 20 places and melt away but get calls as to where they do show up. Re-attack where they do not show up. How hard is this? Think simple. -- Whatever happened in the holy holocaust, ending it was never important enough to generate the least bit of gratitude. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3726 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml environmentalism http://www.giwersworld.org/environment/aehb.phtml a9 |
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