ASW20 or LS6

*That "0 incidence wing"

Story time........On a long final glide with another LS-6, we were
dead even, 35 miles out, best L/D, no wind, no sink. My wingman said,
"watch this" and slowley but surely, he started gaining on me. When he
reached 20 feet above me, I asked, "OK what did you do?"
He replied, "I pulled in one notch of flap" (+5)
Why did that work? Because my ship with zero flap and slow speed, the
fuselage was slightly nose up, but the air hitting the ship with +5
flaps was straight into the relative wind.
I regret the day I sold the old girl,
JJ

You mean BMW vs Mercedes, right?

-ted
BMW-29 "2NO"

On Jan 30, 6:06*pm, binks wrote:
I am looking to purchase my first glider. I have been looking at the
ASW20 and the LS6. Any suggestions on which glider would be the best
all around? I have heard that the LS6 has a narrow cockpit. I am 6'2"
200 lbs. and would be wearing a parachute. Also heard that the ASW20
can be a little unforgiving to the uninitiated in the spin department.
Both seem to have very similar performance data. *All that being said
it is appearing to me it may be Ford vs Chevy

Been away from the sport for a while. This is my first post since the
late 90s...

One day I traded my LS-6a for a friend's AS-W 20B for a day's flying.
He thought the '6 was "twitchy" and I thought the '20 was "heavy on
the controls". The '20 definitely had a lot more room in the cockpit
than the '6.

I agree with all that's been said regarding training and training for
the type of ship you'll be flying. I truly don't think it's wise for
an inexperienced pilot who's only flown the 2-33 to jump into such a
slick ship as either of the two you're considering. You will find
that it'll be off the runway before you know what's happening. It
will accelerate a lot quicker than you're used to, and will be a lot
less forgiving than a simpler ship.

It's not that either ship is hard to fly - in fact, both are easy.
The danger to a new pilot is the speed at which things change. Flaps
are not a problem if you know how to use them and where to set them
for the conditions of flight. Book knowledge is not enough - you have
to feel how to use them in tight situations.

My former partner was very experienced in gliders with about 500 hours
in our LS-6a. I watched him stall and spin at low altitude and
crash. Just a moment's inattention...

If you decide to get a flapped ship for your first glider, please pay
attention. Don't become complacent because it is easier to fly than a
2-33 (my opinion). If you fall asleep, it will bite you.

So, in answer to your original question about which is better... I'm
currently looking for my THIRD LS-6. I like the '6 so much that,
after the crash of my first, I found a new partner with one!

I'm not suggesting the L6 is in any way inferior to the ASW20, just that
it is not superior, and definitely not in the ASW 27 class.
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Here in New Zealand lS6's still win the nationals year after year. Our air is turbulent in general and therms broken and the 6 has a distinct advantage over 20's AND 27's in the climb.

Having flown both for many hours, in stressful mountain environments a clear winner by a margin. The 6.

Recently did a 100k glide with ventus c 18m wing to wing at 75-85 and not a foot in it.

The LS6 is still a weapon in the right hands and I was told by a well known NASA jet test pilot of gliding repute that it and the 8 - are the best handling aircraft her has ever flown - period.

I'm not suggesting the L6 is in any way inferior to the ASW20, just that
it is not superior, and definitely not in the ASW 27 class.
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Here in New Zealand lS6's still win the nationals year after year. Our air is turbulent in general and therms broken and the 6 has a distinct advantage over 20's AND 27's in the climb.

Having flown both for many hours, in stressful mountain environments a clear winner by a margin. The 6.

Recently did a 100k glide with ventus c 18m wing to wing at 75-85 and not a foot in it.

The LS6 is still a weapon in the right hands and I was told by a well known NASA jet test pilot of gliding repute that it and the 8 - are the best handling aircraft her has ever flown - period.