Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:08:40 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation?

The kind where the engine stops running...

-Dana

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But I don't have an "any key" on my computer!

Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where
do you get this information?

On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines
don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans.

Ricky wrote:
Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where
do you get this information?

On Jan 15, 3:12Â*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Â*Jet engines
don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans.

Let me make a guess...

He once read an article on the Internet about engine failures within
some contraints and then, since things like context are alien to him,
applied that to all engines on all airplanes in all circumstances.


--
Jim Pennino

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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!


Bertie

Again. Talk without correct data.

In my thousands of jet hours only saw mechanical engine failures
(turbine wheel and blades, compressor blades, generator/starter
failures, loss of oil pressure, etc,) Rare but all happened.

Had a few bird strikes, up to duck size, in turbine and on air frame
with not enough damage to prevent further flight and routine landing.

My last flight, on active duty, was in a T-39 going into the Springs
with a full load of passengers.

Lost oil pressure on starboard engine over Omaha and shut down. Flew
on into the Springs and made single engine landing. Just another day
in the office.

Big John

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:12:23 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Kingfish writes:

Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often
fail all on their own.

One of our KC-135's sucked up a seagull- they said it smelled like burnt
fish inside the plane, or so the story goes.

Anthony sure writes like an expert considering that he has zero flying
hours, doesn't he?

Yep!

Big John

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:10 -0600, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

One of our KC-135's sucked up a seagull- they said it smelled like burnt
fish inside the plane, or so the story goes.

Anthony sure writes like an expert considering that he has zero flying
hours, doesn't he?

Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot
friend of mine.

His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good
one.

Quote

Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on
over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went
post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into
Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the
right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying.
You can always count on the media to miss the main point

Unquote

Big John

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:10 -0600, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

One of our KC-135's sucked up a seagull- they said it smelled like burnt
fish inside the plane, or so the story goes.

Anthony sure writes like an expert considering that he has zero flying
hours, doesn't he?