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  #61  
Old April 7th 21, 09:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Moshe Braner
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On 4/7/2021 3:45 PM, Soartech wrote:
I just got a reply from the SSA (Alexa Owens) and she apoligized and sent me this link: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
which looks identical to me to the one they sent. But somehow, this one does not have the Tracking problem the first one had.
Maybe they shut off the tracking requirement??


A link in a web page has two parts: the visible text label, and the
(invisible) URL it links to. A link, such as that in the email from the
SSA, that shows the URL is supposedly leads to, actually has two URLs:
the visible one (sometimes misleading), and the invisible one it
actually links to.

The reason you may get warnings about "icptrack.com" is that the SSA
chose to send these mass emails by using a service, "iContact". It,
like MailChimp, ConstantContact, etc, converts every link to a trackable
one. In this case the visible URL is:

https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/

but the actual URL it leads to is:

https://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay...gTymqcTLusKni6...
(lots more gobbledigook).

In theory your clicking on such a link can be tracked, although I doubt
in this case the SSA will use that feature of the iContact service.

I hate such links because I don't want to be tracked, and also you don't
know where it is really taking you, after the tracking bit.

But in this case you can copy and paste the visible URL from that email
into your browser and get to that page without being tracked.
  #62  
Old April 7th 21, 10:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Posts: 4,601
Default new SSA web site

I've been using the Brave browser for the past 3-4 months. I just
opened a new tab and was told that 65,786 trackers and ads have been
blocked. I still get a lot of spam; how it gets past my spam blocker, I
don't know, but I'm going to have a look at spam assassin.

Dan
5J

On 4/7/21 2:37 PM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/7/2021 3:45 PM, Soartech wrote:
I just got a reply from the SSA (Alexa Owens) and she apoligized and
sent me this link: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
which looks identical to me to the one they sent. But somehow, this
one does not have the TrackingÂ* problem the first one had.
Maybe they shut off the tracking requirement??


A link in a web page has two parts: the visible text label, and the
(invisible) URL it links to.Â* A link, such as that in the email from the
SSA, that shows the URL is supposedly leads to, actually has two URLs:
the visible one (sometimes misleading), and the invisible one it
actually links to.

The reason you may get warnings about "icptrack.com" is that the SSA
chose to send these mass emails by using a service, "iContact".Â* It,
like MailChimp, ConstantContact, etc, converts every link to a trackable
one.Â* In this case the visible URL is:

Â*Â*Â* https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/

but the actual URL it leads to is:

https://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay...gTymqcTLusKni6...
Â*(lots more gobbledigook).

In theory your clicking on such a link can be tracked, although I doubt
in this case the SSA will use that feature of the iContact service.

I hate such links because I don't want to be tracked, and also you don't
know where it is really taking you, after the tracking bit.

But in this case you can copy and paste the visible URL from that email
into your browser and get to that page without being tracked.

  #63  
Old April 7th 21, 11:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
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Posts: 699
Default new SSA web site

On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:05:51 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

I've been using the Brave browser for the past 3-4 months. I just
opened a new tab and was told that 65,786 trackers and ads have been
blocked. I still get a lot of spam; how it gets past my spam blocker, I
don't know, but I'm going to have a look at spam assassin.

What does your mail chain look like? I ask because Spamassassin is
probably not a good fit if you're just running a mail reader on a Windows
system. On the other hand, your ISP may be running Spamassassin and
filtering out obvious spam, i.e. mail from a known spammer (there are
lists of these...).

SA is designed to handle quite high mail volumes and is usually put into
the path messages follow through a mail server, something like this:

|-- mail reader
ISP --mail in--Mail server --|-- mail reader
| Y |-- mail reader
| |
| +-- spam - quarantine
| |
V ^
Spamassassin

All SA does is to inspect an email and assign it a score by applying a
set of rules to its content. The filter looks at the spam score and
conventionally says anything with a score of less than 5 is ham and
anything over 5 is spam. The filter is separate because everybody has
different ideas of what to do with spam: some bin spam, others block spam
senders, while others treat it as undeliverable mail and return it to the
sender.

My filter puts spam in quarantine for a week and sends me a daily report
of any new spam so I can look at it in case it was misclassified as spam.
In this case I can fish it out of quarantine before it gets deleted.

Other people, who are usually UNIX or Linux users simply pass everything
to their user's mailreaders. These use a program, procmail, to look at
the spam score and use that to decide whether the message is shown to the
user or binned. This is useful in a business where different folks get
different mail streams and have differing spam tolerances.

Sorry about the length of that, but mail handling can be quite complex
and its not necessary to understand much of this stuff unless you run
your own mail server - and nobody who just uses an Apple or Windows PC,
iPad or phone will be running a mail server.

I hope its useful info.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

  #64  
Old April 8th 21, 02:29 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
[email protected]
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Default new SSA web site

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:05:51 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

I've been using the Brave browser for the past 3-4 months. I just
opened a new tab and was told that 65,786 trackers and ads have been
blocked. I still get a lot of spam; how it gets past my spam blocker, I
don't know, but I'm going to have a look at spam assassin.

What does your mail chain look like? I ask because Spamassassin is
probably not a good fit if you're just running a mail reader on a Windows
system. On the other hand, your ISP may be running Spamassassin and
filtering out obvious spam, i.e. mail from a known spammer (there are
lists of these...).

SA is designed to handle quite high mail volumes and is usually put into
the path messages follow through a mail server, something like this:

|-- mail reader
ISP --mail in--Mail server --|-- mail reader
| Y |-- mail reader
| |
| +-- spam - quarantine
| |
V ^
Spamassassin

All SA does is to inspect an email and assign it a score by applying a
set of rules to its content. The filter looks at the spam score and
conventionally says anything with a score of less than 5 is ham and
anything over 5 is spam. The filter is separate because everybody has
different ideas of what to do with spam: some bin spam, others block spam
senders, while others treat it as undeliverable mail and return it to the
sender.

My filter puts spam in quarantine for a week and sends me a daily report
of any new spam so I can look at it in case it was misclassified as spam.
In this case I can fish it out of quarantine before it gets deleted.

Other people, who are usually UNIX or Linux users simply pass everything
to their user's mailreaders. These use a program, procmail, to look at
the spam score and use that to decide whether the message is shown to the
user or binned. This is useful in a business where different folks get
different mail streams and have differing spam tolerances.

Sorry about the length of that, but mail handling can be quite complex
and its not necessary to understand much of this stuff unless you run
your own mail server - and nobody who just uses an Apple or Windows PC,
iPad or phone will be running a mail server.

I hope its useful info.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Just got an email reply from SSA. They said to hover over the Racing tab and the Tracker should appear. Well when I use Chrome the sub-menu does not appear. When I use Explorer the sub-menu does appear but crashes when I click on Tracker and I get a message that it is not supported and to use Chrome. WTF!
Dan
  #65  
Old April 8th 21, 03:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
kinsell
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Posts: 546
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On 4/7/21 1:45 PM, Soartech wrote:
I just got a reply from the SSA (Alexa Owens) and she apoligized and sent me this link: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
which looks identical to me to the one they sent. But somehow, this one does not have the Tracking problem the first one had.
Maybe they shut off the tracking requirement??


I didn't get the link originally, but today more email from SSA got
through. Had the same redirect of the link for tracking.

Reading email with Thunderbird, you can hover over a link and it shows
the hidden information, which usually indicates a scam of some sort when
used.

-Dave
  #66  
Old April 8th 21, 03:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Posts: 4,601
Default new SSA web site

Thanks for trying, Martin, but that's way over my head. I'm a new user
of Linux (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, about 3-4 months), and I've been using
Thunderbird for several years. I looked at installing Spam Assassin on
my system but it was too in-depth for me.

Dan
5J

On 4/7/21 4:44 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:05:51 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

I've been using the Brave browser for the past 3-4 months. I just
opened a new tab and was told that 65,786 trackers and ads have been
blocked. I still get a lot of spam; how it gets past my spam blocker, I
don't know, but I'm going to have a look at spam assassin.

What does your mail chain look like? I ask because Spamassassin is
probably not a good fit if you're just running a mail reader on a Windows
system. On the other hand, your ISP may be running Spamassassin and
filtering out obvious spam, i.e. mail from a known spammer (there are
lists of these...).

SA is designed to handle quite high mail volumes and is usually put into
the path messages follow through a mail server, something like this:

|-- mail reader
ISP --mail in--Mail server --|-- mail reader
| Y |-- mail reader
| |
| +-- spam - quarantine
| |
V ^
Spamassassin

All SA does is to inspect an email and assign it a score by applying a
set of rules to its content. The filter looks at the spam score and
conventionally says anything with a score of less than 5 is ham and
anything over 5 is spam. The filter is separate because everybody has
different ideas of what to do with spam: some bin spam, others block spam
senders, while others treat it as undeliverable mail and return it to the
sender.

My filter puts spam in quarantine for a week and sends me a daily report
of any new spam so I can look at it in case it was misclassified as spam.
In this case I can fish it out of quarantine before it gets deleted.

Other people, who are usually UNIX or Linux users simply pass everything
to their user's mailreaders. These use a program, procmail, to look at
the spam score and use that to decide whether the message is shown to the
user or binned. This is useful in a business where different folks get
different mail streams and have differing spam tolerances.

Sorry about the length of that, but mail handling can be quite complex
and its not necessary to understand much of this stuff unless you run
your own mail server - and nobody who just uses an Apple or Windows PC,
iPad or phone will be running a mail server.

I hope its useful info.


  #67  
Old April 8th 21, 04:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
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Posts: 699
Default new SSA web site

On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:55:22 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

Thanks for trying, Martin, but that's way over my head. I'm a new user
of Linux (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, about 3-4 months), and I've been using
Thunderbird for several years. I looked at installing Spam Assassin on
my system but it was too in-depth for me.

Understood.

I've not used Thunderbird for several years, so don't remember whether it
can use SA spam scores or not, but what I was trying to show is that
installing SA is not a trivial exercise and that it usually works best if
you're running your own local mailserver.

These days I'm using Evolution as my mailreader. It has a built-in
appointments diary and a todo list - I need both!


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

  #68  
Old April 9th 21, 03:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Posts: 11
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I got the second e-mail about the password reset. try to use my original password. No go. Not Strong enough. Is some evil hacker waiting to use my weak password to log in and read the Johnson test flight articles without paying. Or maybe they want to sign up for a contest under my name. What F*cking Bull****! maybe I don't need the SSA.
  #69  
Old April 9th 21, 03:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
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Posts: 276
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I think that the reason for the extra password security (and maybe the two passwords) has to do with the privacy issue of we can see names and addresses of members, and/or, ordering and credit cards.

To fulfill the 12 character password requirement I just used my old password twice! Simple!

John (OHM)
  #70  
Old April 9th 21, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
[email protected]
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Posts: 3
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On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:29:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:05:51 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

I've been using the Brave browser for the past 3-4 months. I just
opened a new tab and was told that 65,786 trackers and ads have been
blocked. I still get a lot of spam; how it gets past my spam blocker, I
don't know, but I'm going to have a look at spam assassin.

What does your mail chain look like? I ask because Spamassassin is
probably not a good fit if you're just running a mail reader on a Windows
system. On the other hand, your ISP may be running Spamassassin and
filtering out obvious spam, i.e. mail from a known spammer (there are
lists of these...).

SA is designed to handle quite high mail volumes and is usually put into
the path messages follow through a mail server, something like this:

|-- mail reader
ISP --mail in--Mail server --|-- mail reader
| Y |-- mail reader
| |
| +-- spam - quarantine
| |
V ^
Spamassassin

All SA does is to inspect an email and assign it a score by applying a
set of rules to its content. The filter looks at the spam score and
conventionally says anything with a score of less than 5 is ham and
anything over 5 is spam. The filter is separate because everybody has
different ideas of what to do with spam: some bin spam, others block spam
senders, while others treat it as undeliverable mail and return it to the
sender.

My filter puts spam in quarantine for a week and sends me a daily report
of any new spam so I can look at it in case it was misclassified as spam.
In this case I can fish it out of quarantine before it gets deleted.

Other people, who are usually UNIX or Linux users simply pass everything
to their user's mailreaders. These use a program, procmail, to look at
the spam score and use that to decide whether the message is shown to the
user or binned. This is useful in a business where different folks get
different mail streams and have differing spam tolerances.

Sorry about the length of that, but mail handling can be quite complex
and its not necessary to understand much of this stuff unless you run
your own mail server - and nobody who just uses an Apple or Windows PC,
iPad or phone will be running a mail server.

I hope its useful info.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Just got an email reply from SSA. They said to hover over the Racing tab and the Tracker should appear. Well when I use Chrome the sub-menu does not appear. When I use Explorer the sub-menu does appear but crashes when I click on Tracker and I get a message that it is not supported and to use Chrome. WTF!
Dan

Tried again and SUCCESS. The sailplane tracker DOES work using Firefox as the browser. No need to log into SSA as a member. Does NOT work in Chrome or Explorer.
 




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