Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)

In rec.aviation.piloting Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
NotABushSupporter writes:

You're no Stephen Hawking

True. I understand his personality is very different from mine.

Like that's all you don't have in common with Mr. Hawkings.

Like Hawking doesn't hide from the real world behind some computer
simulation of life, has three kids, interacts with other humans, and
has a sense of humor.

--
Jim Pennino

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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S Green writes:

Actually the most populous English speaking country is India.

India is not an English-speaking country; it is simply a country in which
many
people are reasonably fluent in English, which is not the same thing. The
population is primarily rural and most people do not speak fluent English,
or
any English for that matter. However, English is the most popular second
language AFAIK and is widely spoken to some extent among those with an
education.

Nope.

It is undoubtedly the most popular language.

Native
English speakers are rare.


Most of the Christian population speak English as a first language.

That's 60 million...


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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William Black writes:

Just about everyone I met under about thirty in Bombay spoke some
English,
including kids working in cheap restaurants, who are, as you're
probably
aware, just in from the villages and making their way for the first
time.

"Some English" doesn't really count. Give these acquaintances of yours a
TOEIC and you may be surprised.

What the hell is a TOEIC?


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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William Black writes:

And about two thirds of them are in India...

No, they are spread around the world. Most Indians are not usefully
fluent in
English.

You must tell us all about your personal experiences in India.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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William Black writes:

It's the major official language, and a lot more popular than Hindi in
school for older kids.

Hindi is the major language, with English being more of a lingua franca
(since
there are many different languages in India). Educated people do learn
English, but they don't necessarily speak it on an everyday basis.

Oh yes they do.

My experience is that most business and engineering is conducted in English.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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William Black writes:

If you speak to them in the same way. Each word distinct and a pause
between each one, you'll find your problem just about disappears.

It's not his problem, it's their problem. They are the ones who are not
fluent.

Well yes.

But he's the one with a problem...

They're busy earning about $400 a month and happy to get it.

If you want better service you have to pay for it, and people won't...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On 7/12/2007 10:29 AM William Black jumped down, turned around, and wrote:

What the hell is a TOEIC?

Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) measures the
ability of non-native English-speaking examinees to use English in
everyday work activities.

Got Google?
--
dgs

"d.g.s." wrote in message
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On 7/12/2007 10:29 AM William Black jumped down, turned around, and wrote:

What the hell is a TOEIC?

Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) measures the
ability of non-native English-speaking examinees to use English in
everyday work activities.

Got Google?

Yep.

No motivation to use for this sort of low level rubbish.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On 7/13/2007 1:29 AM William Black jumped down, turned around, and wrote:

"d.g.s." wrote in message
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On 7/12/2007 10:29 AM William Black jumped down, turned around, and wrote:

What the hell is a TOEIC?
Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) measures the
ability of non-native English-speaking examinees to use English in
everyday work activities.

Got Google?

Yep.

No motivation to use for this sort of low level rubbish.

Engaging Anthony ("Mxsmanic") in these long-winded OT diatribes
certainly meets the criteria for low level rubbish, yes.
--
dgs

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"William Black" wrote:

What the hell is a TOEIC?

Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) measures the
ability of non-native English-speaking examinees to use English in
everyday work activities.


I suspect this may be what used to be known as TOEFL [Test of English as
a Foreign Language], an acronym that would have been pretty well known
among academics and anyone involved with students coming to American
universities from overseas.

If so, I suspect the change in nomenclature was a matter of political
correctness.