German-Wings Copilot "one of us"?

"though not surprised"

undeserved cheap shot

On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:53:52 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Really?* Now there's a cop out if I've ever heard one.* I am always
open to the truth and willing to change my mind and I'm rather
disappointed at your response, though not surprised.






On 4/2/2015 5:56 AM, Bob Pasker wrote:



you've already made up your mind, so i won't waste my time or yours

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:21:52 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:


"responsible media organizations"* Now there's an oxymoron...* *
Please name one and be prepared to back up your claim with facts,
not opinions.






On 3/31/2015 3:26 PM, Bob Pasker wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:30:13 AM UTC-4, Don Johnstone wrote:



As far as I am aware the investigators in both cases have not
reached any conclusion. The media have, but their priority is increasing
their profits, not ascertaining the truth.


that's a fairly cynical view of the media, and although there's plenty of that going on, responsible media organizations (not their ad businesses) report news, and their priority is scoops, not profits.

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At 22:52 02 April 2015, Bob Pasker wrote:
"though not surprised"

undeserved cheap shot

On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:53:52 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta
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Really?=A0 Now there's a cop out if I've ever heard one.=A0 I
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open to the truth and willing to change my mind and I'm
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There is a word in the English language - 'alleged' or even
'allegedly' I wish News reporters and journalists, and others would
use it, until something has been proven in a court of law. That is
what we have the law for - trial by media disgust and repulses me
and does nothing for the credulity of journalism as a profession.
'Innocent until proven guilty' is a concept which appears to have
disappeared.

Quite frankly I am utterly disgusted by the way not only this news
item but many others has been reported in recent years -standards
are far, far lower than they used to be and my opinion of journalists
and news media these days is even lower than it used to be.

I think its unfair to lump every journalist and every news outlet into the same category, just as its unfair to lump every glider pilot into the same category.

unlike the China and the former Soviet Union, we have a wide variety of media outlets, and you have a choice as to which ones you're going to read.

For example, the WSJ reported

"BERLIN--Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz researched suicide methods and the technology behind cockpit doors days before he allegedly slammed an airliner into the French Alps, the German prosecutor in charge of the case said Thursday, indicating some preparation possibly went into the crash."

note the use of "allegedly" and the authoritative source, the lead prosecutor in the case.

this is the gold standard for journalism

http://www.wsj.com/articles/andreas-...ays-1427986155



There is a word in the English language - 'alleged' or even
'allegedly' I wish News reporters and journalists, and others would
use it, until something has been proven in a court of law. That is
what we have the law for - trial by media disgust and repulses me
and does nothing for the credulity of journalism as a profession.
'Innocent until proven guilty' is a concept which appears to have
disappeared.

Quite frankly I am utterly disgusted by the way not only this news
item but many others has been reported in recent years -standards
are far, far lower than they used to be and my opinion of journalists
and news media these days is even lower than it used to be.

its also worth reading the coverage of Germany's reaction to Bild's reporting on the Germanwings tragedy.

"A brief notice issued by a German gas station stating that it will stop selling the tabloid Bild after its sensationalist coverage of the Germanwings crash, is gaining colossal resonance. Increasing numbers of retailers are removing it from their stands.

What started with a Facebook entry by ARAL station in the town of Bendorf, Rhineland-Palatinate, is now going viral with the original post getting more that 100k 'likes' in less than a week."


http://rt.com/news/246417-boycott-bi...y-germanwings/

Bob Pasker wrote:
its also worth reading the coverage of Germany's reaction to Bild's
reporting on the Germanwings tragedy.

"A brief notice issued by a German gas station stating that it will stop
selling the tabloid Bild after its sensationalist coverage of the
Germanwings crash, is gaining colossal resonance. Increasing numbers of
retailers are removing it from their stands.

What started with a Facebook entry by ARAL station in the town of Bendorf,
Rhineland-Palatinate, is now going viral with the original post getting
more that 100k 'likes' in less than a week."


http://rt.com/news/246417-boycott-bi...y-germanwings/

That is actually pretty awesome. The Bild "Zeitung" makes the NY post look
downright reasonable sometimes.

Pete

On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 2:18:36 PM UTC-4, vontresc wrote:
Bob Pasker wrote:
its also worth reading the coverage of Germany's reaction to Bild's
reporting on the Germanwings tragedy.

"A brief notice issued by a German gas station stating that it will stop
selling the tabloid Bild after its sensationalist coverage of the
Germanwings crash, is gaining colossal resonance. Increasing numbers of
retailers are removing it from their stands.

What started with a Facebook entry by ARAL station in the town of Bendorf,
Rhineland-Palatinate, is now going viral with the original post getting
more that 100k 'likes' in less than a week."


http://rt.com/news/246417-boycott-bi...y-germanwings/

That is actually pretty awesome. The Bild "Zeitung" makes the NY post look
downright reasonable sometimes.

Pete

The Bild Zeitung is the German equivalent of the National Enquirer. That doesn't mean that these types of publications can't occasionally do some decent reporting. A number of years ago the NY Times did a study of the press coverage of the OJ Simpson murder case. They found that the National Enquirer had by far the most scoops and the most accurate coverage of any of the media covering the story.

There are certain types of stories (sleaze and celebrities) where these kind of publications know how to get the stories (not necessarily by commonly acceptable practices).

I find it repulsive how the "facts," as they are "known" today, are presented daily if not hourly.

As opposed to waiting until the whole picture is known, they provide sound bites for the media so as to prove they are doing something and make their department look good (and presumably worthy of increased funding). This suits the media well as they prefer provided sound bites as opposed to real research and fact checking.

BTW I'm not picking on the French- the Asiana accident here in SFO was the same. Thankfully the outcome was better.

May The Lord have mercy on their souls.

On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 10:08:17 PM UTC-4, IA DPE wrote:
I find it repulsive how the "facts," as they are "known" today, are presented daily if not hourly.

As opposed to waiting until the whole picture is known, they provide sound bites for the media so as to prove they are doing something and make their department look good (and presumably worthy of increased funding). This suits the media well as they prefer provided sound bites as opposed to real research and fact checking.

BTW I'm not picking on the French- the Asiana accident here in SFO was the same. Thankfully the outcome was better.

May The Lord have mercy on their souls.

again, it depends on the media outlet. if you like slow news, read a weekly..

It's not that I like slow news so much as accurate.

These people look for any nugget of information (though not always fact checked) which is promptly disseminated as the gospel. I'd rather hear nothing than falsehoods and half truths.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 11:02:28 PM UTC-4, IA DPE wrote:
It's not that I like slow news so much as accurate.

These people look for any nugget of information (though not always fact checked) which is promptly disseminated as the gospel. I'd rather hear nothing than falsehoods and half truths.

In relation to this accident, exactly what kind of falsehoods and half truths have you been hearing?