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Old March 26th 15, 05:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I'm very much saddened to have just learned the Andreas Lubitz, the 28- old who deliberately seems to have flown the A 320 into the mountains started flying in a Glider Club (Montabaur). He was still a member and renewed his glider license in 2014 that he had since his teenage-years. If confirmed, this mass murderer is a stain on what we all believe is a brotherhood of ethical and morals-driven individuals. Using Occam's Razor, the explanation given by the French prosecutors this morning is highly likely.
I'm further troubled that this horrible act ended precisely on what the French call "Le Parcours", a much beloved mountain range that allows fast and long North-South glider flights along the French Alps. I had a wonderful glider vacation in Barcelonnette, a couple of km from the crash site. This is all very sad. It must multiply the pain of the survivors of those on board.

Herb
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Old March 26th 15, 09:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I am also so sad to see the Parcours, where my own glider pilot, my US Team pilots at WGCs in 2005 and 2006, and many of our friends have flown many hours, as the scene of such horror. Seyne, where the recovery efforts are based, is also a glider field. Thinking of all of the people affected by this tragic event.
Susan "EY Crew"

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I'm very much saddened to have just learned the Andreas Lubitz, the 28- old who deliberately seems to have flown the A 320 into the mountains started flying in a Glider Club (Montabaur). He was still a member and renewed his glider license in 2014 that he had since his teenage-years. If confirmed, this mass murderer is a stain on what we all believe is a brotherhood of ethical and morals-driven individuals. Using Occam's Razor, the explanation given by the French prosecutors this morning is highly likely.
I'm further troubled that this horrible act ended precisely on what the French call "Le Parcours", a much beloved mountain range that allows fast and long North-South glider flights along the French Alps. I had a wonderful glider vacation in Barcelonnette, a couple of km from the crash site. This is all very sad. It must multiply the pain of the survivors of those on board.

Herb

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Old March 27th 15, 02:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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An optimistic view is that he was not one of us based solely on his last flight. He possessed a glider rating, but he was not one of us. To be a glider pilot, you have to be an optimist, (JJI) ~Barny
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Old March 27th 15, 06:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 6:53:23 PM UTC-7, wrote:
An optimistic view is that he was not one of us based solely on his last flight. He possessed a glider rating, but he was not one of us. To be a glider pilot, you have to be an optimist, (JJI) ~Barny


Exactly, Barny. To be one of us, one had to have a passion for, care about, and share in the kindred spirit of those who fly, be they bird or man.

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Old March 27th 15, 12:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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At 16:09 26 March 2015, wrote:
I'm very much saddened to have just learned the Andreas Lubitz,

the 28-
old=
who deliberately seems to have flown the A 320 into the

mountains started
=
flying in a Glider Club (Montabaur). He was still a member and

renewed his
=
glider license in 2014 that he had since his teenage-years. If

confirmed,
=
this mass murderer is a stain on what we all believe is a

brotherhood of
et=
hical and morals-driven individuals. Using Occam's Razor, the

explanation
=
given by the French prosecutors this morning is highly likely.
I'm further troubled that this horrible act ended precisely on what

the
Fre=
nch call "Le Parcours", a much beloved mountain range that allows

fast and
=
long North-South glider flights along the French Alps. I had a

wonderful
gl=
ider vacation in Barcelonnette, a couple of km from the crash site.

This
i=
s all very sad. It must multiply the pain of the survivors of those

on
boa=
rd.

Herb


One of the most idiotic posts I have seen in a long time.
1) Not all the facts are out yet -your jumping the gun about this
young man.
2) Just because your a glider pilot does not make you whiter than
white or make you in any way any ethically or morally superior to
any other human being on this planet- indeed many glider pilots
have been complicit in the past either directly or indirectly with the
deaths of many, many more people than this. Whether you feel
these deaths were justifiable depends usually on your politics.

Personally it saddens me that mankind has not yet reached the
stage where it cannot find other resolutions than violence to sort out
differences, and can take a thing such as beautiful as flight and use
it has a method of death and destruction. One can only hope the
human race will one day grow up, before it annihilates itself.

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Old March 27th 15, 01:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"To be a glider pilot, you have to be an optimist," (JJI) ~Barny

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Old March 27th 15, 03:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 6:30:05 AM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
At 16:09 26 March 2015, wrote:
I'm very much saddened to have just learned the Andreas Lubitz,

the 28-
old=
who deliberately seems to have flown the A 320 into the

mountains started
=
flying in a Glider Club (Montabaur). He was still a member and

renewed his
=
glider license in 2014 that he had since his teenage-years. If

confirmed,
=
this mass murderer is a stain on what we all believe is a

brotherhood of
et=
hical and morals-driven individuals. Using Occam's Razor, the

explanation
=
given by the French prosecutors this morning is highly likely.
I'm further troubled that this horrible act ended precisely on what

the
Fre=
nch call "Le Parcours", a much beloved mountain range that allows

fast and
=
long North-South glider flights along the French Alps. I had a

wonderful
gl=
ider vacation in Barcelonnette, a couple of km from the crash site.

This
i=
s all very sad. It must multiply the pain of the survivors of those

on
boa=
rd.

Herb


One of the most idiotic posts I have seen in a long time.
1) Not all the facts are out yet -your jumping the gun about this
young man.
2) Just because your a glider pilot does not make you whiter than
white or make you in any way any ethically or morally superior to
any other human being on this planet- indeed many glider pilots
have been complicit in the past either directly or indirectly with the
deaths of many, many more people than this. Whether you feel
these deaths were justifiable depends usually on your politics.

Personally it saddens me that mankind has not yet reached the
stage where it cannot find other resolutions than violence to sort out
differences, and can take a thing such as beautiful as flight and use
it has a method of death and destruction. One can only hope the
human race will one day grow up, before it annihilates itself.


Paul, if holding yourself and the people you associate with to a high standard is idiotic then yes, I'm an idiot. Thanks for the name-calling btw, very classy. Mankind has proven that it can "weaponize" nearly every seemingly peaceful activity and flying gliders cannot be exempted. If confirmed further by facts, the copilot's name will be added to the roster of mass-murderers and suicide bombers. The families of the victims, already numb with pain, will be scarred for life by this crime.
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Old March 27th 15, 04:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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At 14:09 27 March 2015, wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 6:30:05 AM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
At 16:09 26 March 2015,
wrote:
I'm very much saddened to have just learned the Andreas

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the 28-
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who deliberately seems to have flown the A 320 into the=20

mountains started
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flying in a Glider Club (Montabaur). He was still a member

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renewed his
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glider license in 2014 that he had since his teenage-years.

If=20
confirmed,
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this mass murderer is a stain on what we all believe is a=20

brotherhood of
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hical and morals-driven individuals. Using Occam's Razor,

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explanation
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given by the French prosecutors this morning is highly likely.
I'm further troubled that this horrible act ended precisely on

what=20
the
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nch call "Le Parcours", a much beloved mountain range that

allows=20
fast and
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long North-South glider flights along the French Alps. I had

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wonderful
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ider vacation in Barcelonnette, a couple of km from the crash

site. =20
This
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s all very sad. It must multiply the pain of the survivors of

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Herb

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One of the most idiotic posts I have seen in a long time.
1) Not all the facts are out yet -your jumping the gun about

this=20
young man.
2) Just because your a glider pilot does not make you whiter

than=20
white or make you in any way any ethically or morally superior

to=20
any other human being on this planet- indeed many glider

pilots=20
have been complicit in the past either directly or indirectly with

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deaths of many, many more people than this. Whether you

feel=20
these deaths were justifiable depends usually on your politics.
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Personally it saddens me that mankind has not yet reached

the=20
stage where it cannot find other resolutions than violence to

sort out=20
differences, and can take a thing such as beautiful as flight and

use=20
it has a method of death and destruction. One can only hope

the=20
human race will one day grow up, before it annihilates itself.


Paul, if holding yourself and the people you associate with to a

high
stand=
ard is idiotic then yes, I'm an idiot. Thanks for the name-calling

btw,
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ry classy. Mankind has proven that it can "weaponize" nearly

every
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ly peaceful activity and flying gliders cannot be exempted. If

confirmed
fu=
rther by facts, the copilot's name will be added to the roster of
mass-murd=
erers and suicide bombers. The families of the victims, already

numb with
p=
ain, will be scarred for life by this crime.


Did not call you an idiot - I don't know you to make that judgement
- called your post idiotic.

I will reiterate. Just because your a glider pilot does not make you
in any way any ethically or morally superior to any other human
being on this planet, which appears to be you assumption.
Gliderpilot or not we are all fallible to the same weaknesses. I have
seen the full gamut of personality types in gliding that I have seen
in the wider world and if one thing that history has taught me is
that mankind is capable of the most incredibly heinous acts,
'gliderpilots' included.

I'm sorry but the ability to fly a motorless plane around the sky does
not grant you 'superpowers or a higher moral enlightenment', or
entrance into some' mythical brotherhood of superior beings' - as
you would seem to infer - that's just B/S.

Whilst this is an incredibly sad occurrence and one can feel for the
families affected, I will not condemn this young man, has you have
done - trail by media whilst common these days, is not my thing, I
would rather wait until all the facts are out - if indeed they ever will
be.. . and then try to understand not blame, banish, or condemn -
because ultimately that gets you no where.
































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Old March 27th 15, 04:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Herb: I, too, was disturbed to read in the Wall Street Journal that Lubitz had a "passion for gliders and competitive running". Just like me. Responding to your critic, I think you qualified your remarks well; none of us yet knows what really happened but the official reports to date are horrifying.

It's true that we tend to think of fellow gliding pilots as ethical, with very high standards in many regards. The truth, as we all know, is that soaring is not perfect. We have our share of folks for whom integrity is sometimes practiced when it is convenient. We also have our share of enthusiasts who suffer from various physical and mental ailments. I suspect I'm not alone in saying that soaring has helped to keep me upbeat and healthy in times of acute stress in the past. But it's not a panacea.

I can't imagine the feelings of the families and loved ones of the victims, knowing not only how senseless and terribly unfair these deaths were but also what the passengers and crew must have felt in the moments before the crash.

I suspect there is not much for us to learn from this isolated tragedy, perhaps with a single exception. One of my daughters flew into Paris the morning of the crash from NYC. It was totally unrelated but it did remind me, as if I needed to be, how uncertain is life and how foolish it is to take anything for granted.

Chip Bearden
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