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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:07:04 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote: Is he still even alive? Very much so. We can't get rid of the ******* in the alarm group. He says he has lung cancer and plans to beat it. I don't wish death on him but I do want him to just go away. -- -Graham (delete the double e's to email) |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Jim Logajan wrote:
Secondly, if the proposed moderated groups adopt charters similar in scope to those for r.a.p and r.a.s then IMHO most of the posts by mxsmanic would still be on topic, while a non-trivial number of the follow-up messages others have posted in response appear to be off topic or inflammatory and therefore subject to rejection. [...] Indeed. Twenty plus years ago I was a moderator on CompuServe. Before that, one on a BBS. And yes, it's the few constantly non-informative and derogatory writers here who would've been censored... not Mxsmanic, who as you say at least posts on topic. Google Groups has a useful option. You can easily click to see a profile, which shows where else and what someone has posted. Often, the insults to Mxsmanic come from people who are also nasty in other groups, or from total newbies who (I assume) think they'll look cool if they join in the insults. Ironically, those who bash Mx the most about his lack of social skills, are the same ones who just refuse to get that it's THEIR postings which readers consider to be more annoying. They're told this over and over again, from many sides, and yet they still don't get it. I am not unsympathetic to their social ignorance, but I'm hoping they'll clue in sometime soon. Regards, Kev |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
"Kev" wrote in message oups.com... Jim Logajan wrote: Secondly, if the proposed moderated groups adopt charters similar in scope to those for r.a.p and r.a.s then IMHO most of the posts by mxsmanic would still be on topic, while a non-trivial number of the follow-up messages others have posted in response appear to be off topic or inflammatory and therefore subject to rejection. [...] Indeed. Twenty plus years ago I was a moderator on CompuServe. Before that, one on a BBS. And yes, it's the few constantly non-informative and derogatory writers here who would've been censored... not Mxsmanic, who as you say at least posts on topic. Google Groups has a useful option. You can easily click to see a profile, which shows where else and what someone has posted. Often, the insults to Mxsmanic come from people who are also nasty in other groups, or from total newbies who (I assume) think they'll look cool if they join in the insults. Ironically, those who bash Mx the most about his lack of social skills, are the same ones who just refuse to get that it's THEIR postings which readers consider to be more annoying. They're told this over and over again, from many sides, and yet they still don't get it. I am not unsympathetic to their social ignorance, but I'm hoping they'll clue in sometime soon. Regards, Kev Frankly I'm at a loss as to why so many of the regulars have chosen to take this person on so directly. On one hand I understand completely that many pilots take great pride in the knowledge and skills they have developed through hard work and experience over time and don't take too kindly to those who abuse them when this knowledge is offered in assistance and then disputed or corrected on a more or less consistent basis. On the other hand, one would think that people in such a group would be of the type that are confident of their abilities to the point where encountering a person entering their group with shall we say "an attitude of sorts" wouldn't cause them the obvious issues we're seeing now on the newsgroups. Obviously, the simple answer for encountering such a person is to first politely correct them and make an honest attempt to change them around to a better method of projecting themselves on the group; then finding this unworkable, just simply turning the offender completely off as some have done. My own opinion of this poster is that he simply has an attitude I dislike. I therefore avoid him and pass on his posts. I don't killfile him, as killfiling people is a waste of time on Usenet. You simply avoid those you don't want to engage. It's as simple as that. Personally, I feel a bit sorry for this individual. I get the feeling he's truly interested in both real world aviation and in simulators. Either that or he's the best damn troll I've seen yet on Usenet :-) I have no idea what I personally might have had to offer him in the way of assistance and friendly dialog, as I am active in both the real world and simulator venues. But of course whatever opportunity that might have presented itself to this was lost in my first (and last) encounter with him. I have to laugh really, at all the fuss about this poster. I honestly believe there has been more bandwidth spent talking about him (this post included) than actually dealing with the "problem" all the posting is about :-) Anyway, if he's a troll, he's a damn good one and I applaud his work. He seems to have completely taken over at least 2 newsgroups to the point where a huge percentage of the posting is about him. On the other hand, if he's NOT a troll, it's my sincere wish that he possibly rethink his approach to Usenet and offer up not so much an apology, but a simple "let's start all this over again and I'll make an attempt to handle it a bit differently and see what happens" I think I know the people on these groups well enough to know that they would react positively to something like this. Anyway......that's my read on all this :-)) Dudley Henriques |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
I think Mxmanic has a lot better posts than most of the other regulars on
here. The only people bothered by him have a corn cob up their butt. My son bought me msfilght sim for Xmas and I will find more of his posts interesting. You can actually generate a fight plan on that thing. The garmin 530 is just like the one I use in the Barron. |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Aluckyguess wrote:
The garmin 530 is just like the one I use in the Barron. Not the sim's default Garmin 530, it ain't! Not even close. For proof of this, change to the Garmin's active flight plan page and (assuming you have a flight plan with an handful of waypoints) scroll down a couple of waypoints. Hit the DIRECT TO key and watch what happens to all those other waypoints that were skipped over. (spoiler: they all disappear, forever gone from the flight plan) *THIS* GPS payware add-on is the real deal for MSFS: http://www.reality-xp.com/products/GNS/index.htm -- Peter |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Peter R. wrote:
Aluckyguess wrote: The garmin 530 is just like the one I use in the Barron. Not the sim's default Garmin 530, it ain't! Not even close. The Direct-to works exactly the same... (That's all I'm sayin') |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Aluckyguess writes:
The garmin 530 is just like the one I use in the Barron. If you use the Dreamfleet Baron 58 add-on for MSFS 2004, the GPS 530 in the simulator is rigorously identical to the real thing. You can literally go from the sim to the real aircraft and operate the GPS without any transition. The default GPS provided by MSFS is different in a fair number of details, although the FS 2004 version is very much like the real thing, unlike the largely abstract GPS of FS 2002, which corresponded to no real-world unit, as far as I know. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Peter R. writes:
*THIS* GPS payware add-on is the real deal for MSFS: http://www.reality-xp.com/products/GNS/index.htm This is the one used by Dreamfleet for its add-ons. Looks, walks, and talks just like the real thing. Which is not surprising, since the GPS simulation was written by Garmin. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
Dudley Henriques wrote: "Montblack" wrote in message ... ("Jim Logajan" wrote) Is there a particular reason why r.a.s and r.a.p are not moderated? I currently moderate or co-moderate 5 newsgroups and have acquired some small insights on moderation; here's what I think I know or have learned: Ms X Maniac will pass ...while a moderator will be with us forever. I vote NO! Mont-Black also votes NO! ...and Paul votes NO! I agree. There's WAY too much fuss over this character. There is no substitute for simply not answering him if his posts bother people. Personally, I don't even know he's there half the time unless I post on someone in the same thread he's in. REALLY....he's no big deal at all, and surely not worth moderating a group over him. Dudley Henriques Agreed. This is Much Ado About Nothing. I'm just not sure why people get their panties in a twist over this non-issue. --Walt |
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Moderating r.a.p and r.a.s. Was: Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)
"G. Morgan" wrote in message
... Moderation won't work. Do what you did to Voldemort's name removed if the group thinks MX is that bad. I personally think Mx is harmless and mostly posts on-topic, but my opinion doesn't matter since I'm not a regular here. The difference is there was complete agreement that Voldemort should be shunned. Because people continue responding to Anthony's baiting questions, he will never leave. |
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