Sad day for Mxsmanic

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Maxwell writes:

It's not about MSFS, it's about MX.

Then criticism of MSFS or simulators in general is unwarranted, isn't it?

However, since MSFS is the only experience MX has, it gets a bad name by
default.

So if a pilot you don't like flies a Cessna 152, does that make you hate
Cessna 152s? Do you thereafter criticize Cessna 152s as not being "real
aircraft"?

There are groups for games and simulation, and if discussing MSFS was
MX's
real motive, that's where he would be.

Simulation discussions normally take place in the context of what is being
simulated, not in venues that address only the program (unless the topic
is
truly program issues). That's what simulation is all about.

You don't fly anything, dumb ass.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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No you're not, dumb ass, you have never left your desk.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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writes:

Wrong again as apparently you don't know what the term "flight simulator"
means.

Who is constrained to abide by FAA rules, exactly?

Relax, no one gives a **** about how you fly your desk.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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writes:

Wrong, X-Plane is not part of any flight simulator certified by the FAA.

It is part of a Personal Computer-based Aviation Training Device, which
is something else entirely.

No, it's not something else at all. It's a simulator. All training
devices
are simulators.

What they actually claim it is is "an engineering tool that can be used
to predict the flying qualities of fixed and rotary wing aircraft".

They claim a lot of things, including "... since X-Plane has been approved
for
flight-training in many countries to many levels, you should be able to
use
it to build your own flight simulator ..." which tacitly acknowledges the
equivalence between the two.

Doesn't matter what they claim anyway wanna be, it a game and you're a wanna
be.

On Mar 2, 11:50*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Varactor writes:
The no visual reverence problem was solved by Sperry eighty years ago.

Then why do pilots still crash regularly after entering IMC?

You think they do when IR? But your observation is a non-sequiteur and
largely sophist.

Cheers

On Mar 2, 11:51*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
-b- writes:
But G1000 is so generalized that now you can no longer buy a small or
medium plane without it.

I'll worry about that when I'm in the market for an airplane.


SPOLRK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

On Mar 2, 11:55*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
-b- writes:
Is there something you haven't told us?
Are you confined to a hospital bed or something?
You know, plenty of people with disabilities still learn to fly.
There are plenty of paraplegics, and some quadriplegics who fly, each with
respect to their own disabilities. There are even blind pilots' flying
associations.

I don't recall mentioning any disabilities.

No, but we can tell.

Cheers

On Mar 2, 12:47*pm, Mike Ash wrote:
In article ,

*-b- wrote:
Oh by the way - why did you dutifully reproduce the preceding text, but wipe
out the part about schizophrenia?

It's a classic MX trolling tactic. He is a master of selectively quoting
people, and then responding only to what's quoted to steer the
conversation in his preferred direction. If you stated that the Earth is
round in a debate with him, he would snip out just enough to make it
look like you were an idiot, and then make a reply that, at least
superficially, makes him look like the only one who knows anything.


Huh? it's not round....

Go ahead and engage the dumb ass. Most of us made that mistake at one time
or another. You will find he is nothing but a prick in sheeps clothing.

I try not to engage in conversations with him as I have 'known' him
for a couple of years now and know what he is like. He does partake
in other forums which relate specifically to the simulator/game and
believe me there is a similar attitude towards him by quite a few
there too.

I can empathise with most of your posts which I read last night (boy
is this thread long!). It is simply WRONG for MX to assume that he is
as 'good' as a real pilot because his soul training is based on the
simulator and theory from reading books and flight manuals. Yes they
DO help alot but you need that tactile feeling of flight and the true
effects of the controls which the sim cannot bring to life. It is
also WRONG for everyone here to completely disregard Microsoft's
software solely as a 'game' rather than a 'Training Aid' because of
your revulsion to MX's persona! I want to reiterate I'm defending the
simulator more than defending MX here.

FSX 'taught' me a hell of a lot before I even stepped into a real
cockpit. With the right add-ons and hardware it can be very
intutative and emersive. I have a proper yoke with throttle quadrant
with levers for mixture, throttle and flaps. I have rudder pedals
too. The highly detailed aircraft from PDMG have Full photorealistic
3D cockpits and with the use of a piece of hardware called TrackIR Pro
which can track your head movements allowing you to look and move all
around the flightdeck. Every switch is where it is on the real
aircraft, every dial does as it should, the glass cockpits are all
modelled exactly the same too. Ok I have NEVER stepped into a REAL
747 flightdeck but have a lot of flightdeck videos including the
excellent Virgin Atlantic 747-400 http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=ITV-74V-001
which goes over every system in fine detail and they are indeed very
well modelled by PMDG The 747-400 also comes with approximately a 700
page manual detailing all the systems and procedures so it's certainly
not for the average 'gamer'. Hundreds of differing failures can be
set to run at a timed point or randomly too to add realism with
failure checklists printed in the manuals.

I'm sure some of you guys would actually enjoy it if you tried it
properly with good quality payware aircraft, detailed airports and the
right hardware. It can teach you SO much when it comes to navigation.

Whilst I enjoy using FSX I will NEVER belittle a real pilot by saying
I'm better than you which is a pitfall MX quite often falls into but I
can whole heartidly state it CAN teach you a hell of a lot more than
some of you guys think. I don't know any of you guys or your
qualifications (I apologise) but for those with a basic PPL may I ask
if YOU stepped onto a flightdeck of a 747-400 or a 737NG would you
understand how to control it? A good flight simulator can help that
lack of knowledge.

Ibby

Sounds like you do have a reasonable head on your shoulders so
hopefully you will get the gist of my post..

Thanks ;-)

You really think you are going to have enough time to figure out how
to get the headset on, find the button to contact ATC, MOVE the bodies
out of your way to climb into the left or right seat, and then ATC is
going to have time to find someone to walk you through the complicated
FMC procedures before you buy the farm? *There is no reset button, and
autoland is something that wouldn't be set on a descent profile for an
approach I don't think?????

First priority is NOT talking to ATC but retaining control of the
aircraft. If it is decending rapidly the FIRST button I would engage
is Altitude Hold which will start the aircraft to level out. This can
be easily reached without moving the Pilot or FO. The pilots can be
moved in a moment and ATC can be contacted once you have 'control'.
The radios are more than likely already tuned to the nearest
controller. The major part of the FMC will now be 'unimportant' as
you will no longer be required to continue on your planned route. The
Mode Control Panel (the buttons and dials on the glareshield) take
precedence over the FMC. For the FMC to control the flight director
two buttons require engaging - LNAV (Lateral Navigation) which
controls the roll mode and VNAV which control the Vertical Navigation
and Thrust. Changing the Heading on the MCP and pressing Heading
Select WILL disengage LNAV and the aircraft will no longer be
following the 'magenta' line as set out in the FMC's LEGS pages.
Changing the target altitude on the MCP will cause the aircraft to
level off at that altitude (if still in VNAV) i.e. say you were
currently descending from FL180 and planned altitude of your next
waypoint was FL60ft setting the MCP altitude to FL100 WILL cause the
aircraft to level off at 10000ft. If Vertical Speed is also selected
VNAV will disengage and the IAS/MACH window will open showing the
current speed (it blanks when the FMC is controlling the airspeed as
per parameters set in the FMC) this can then be manually reduced by
using the control knob. The only area of the FMC I can see which
requires input would be the NAV/RAD page which allows manual input of
VOR's NDB's and ILS's which would be essential for a controlled
landing.

Please think of the human adrenalin factor. *Iceman we are not.....

The reality is that even as a private pilot, I seriously doubt that I
would be able to find the right knobs to twist in the vast array of
the digitalized world that would sit in front of me.

I agree and stated before the majority of us would literally be
crapping ourselves. The sim DOES help however in understanding the
'digitised' controls and knobs. When I took my first flying lesson in
a Cessna 152 (yes basic in comparision) but it was exactly the same as
the payware aircraft I bought for the sim. I had NO fear what so ever
as I felt I had done it for years. I knew the effects of every
movement of the control column and rudder pedals etc etc.

The stuff is massive to comprehend under a simulated environment
without the danger of buying the farm. *To expect somebody like myself
who does fly a SE plane who never set foot in the cockpit of a
commercial jet to be able to follow programming instructions for the
FMC and set it up for autoladning just is not realistic.

Agree, fear would play a major part not just for your own life but
that of the other souls on board.
As stated before the majority of the FMC is obsolete and the aircraft
can be controlled via the MCP and the autopilot. ATC will quite often
vector a pilot with differing headings, speed restrictions and
altitude constraints to that on the FMC flightplan but in most cases
the PIC will use the MCP to make these temporary changes. ATC will
normally vector the pilot back onto an intercept course at some stage
to resume the planned route. Once the ILS frequency and course is
programmed into the NAV/RAD page of the FMC and the aircraft is on an
intercept course pressing LOC will enable the aircraft to capture the
ILS localiser and APP will allow the the capture of the glideslope.
When APP is pressed all 3 autopilots are engaged and thus the autoland
is armed. ATC can instruct you to reduce your airspeed via the control
knob and extend the flaps, landing gear can be lowered and landing
lights and strobes switched on prior to Flaps 20 with continual
slowing using the autothrottle system and further extension of the
flaps. Speed brakes are armed by moveing the spoiler level beside the
throttle to the armed position and Autobrakes can be set using the
rotary dial. Once all wheels are on the ground the trust reverser
levers can be pulled back until your ground speed is 80knots. I'm not
saying it will be a piece of cake but providing the runway is a CAT111
with autoland facilities it will be a hell of a lot easier than having
to disengage the autopilot and autothrottle system and hand fly and
flare the last 200ft then bringing the aircraft to a manual stop.


Yeah, I am sitting at the comforts of my computer, I study day in and
day out of the procedures of a 767 FMC, the above scenario pans out.
You don't think a person wouldn't have a brain fart due to the
adrenalin factor from the chaos developing behind you from the
passengers and yourself saying WTF do I do next?

You may well freak out some of cope better with pressure. I'm not
going to do an MX and say yeah I'm superman no problem.


Clicking on the knob to tune the radio, moving
my mouse just a little bit without my head turnign ain't the real
deal.

TrackIR is a great piece of hardware which interprets highly
accurately your head movement IRL. This changes your view and
position within the 3D virtual flightdeck on screen. I can look left
and right , up/down at the overhead panels, twist my head, lean
forward and back as I would in a real aircraft. All buttons and
switches are where they should be. I dont pretend to know anything
about your GPS you mention but some software vendors do a better job
at modelling components than others i.e. FSX default aircraft versus
the expensive PMDG aircraft. There is also the confines of the
platform. Microsoft created a 'platform' which other developers use
to the best of their abilities. Some elements just cannot be
intergrated in their models as the application doesn't support them.


Flying in my plane, scanning my instruments IN IMC, doing all I can to
reduce the movement of my head to tune my 430 is not the same as
clicking a mouse on my simulator. *Is it the big knob or little knob,
Is it the knob on the right or is it the knob on the left. *Little
knob, what do you mean little knob, I see bunches of knobs. *

That's how the simulator can help. They have 'big' knobs and 'little'
knobs as per the real aircraft
A simulator cannot help you deal with IMC conditions as you cannot
feel the movement of the aircraft. Unless your attention is 100%
fixed on instrument scanning you wont know your in a bank or descent
in the sim.

what page is the approach plate on

Approach plates are there to facilitate the control and management /
seperation of aircraft into/out busy airfields. In an emergency, now
I'm talking about a non-pilot flying, they would not be required. ATC
would HAVE to clear all other traffic out of your way and vector to
the active runway.

MSFS will NEVER simulate the real deal of push, pulling, turning,
tuning ir twisting any aircraft avionics. *It doesn't simulate
reaching across the panel, holding the plane upright (remember, I have
to scan my instruments to remain upright, can't assume autopilot will
do that for you!!)

This is where TrackIR helps enormously. You DO have to look to your
right along the instrumation panel, you DO have to use your right hand
to control knobs and switches via the mouse albeit and you DO have to
lean over to reach or improve your view of certain dials. In this
scenario autopilot would be essential with manual changes to the MCP.
There is NO way I would even consider trying to manually fly a
commerical airliner as keeping it straight and level without
overspeeding or stalling would be very difficult for a beginner.

As I have posted many, many times, and I have used MSFS X. *

Did you use payware aircraft or the default as there can be a world of
difference depending on the vendor

Flying an
approach on the computer just doesn't simulate the physical sensations
of IMC. *Not sure if you ever been in IMC, not even sure if you are a
pilot, but if you never been in IMC, please talk to a IA rated pilot
and ask him to take you up. *You will never look at a cloud the same
way.

you can purchase weather generating programmes which download current
weather METARS and generate appropriate cloud bases, winds, fogs, rain
etc within the sim. I agree the sim cannot generate the feel. I'm
NOT a qualified pilot and have never flown yet in IMC conditions. I
agree hand flying an aircraft in the simulator in IMC can be difficult
as you have zero sensation of movement.

Ibby