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New - Taifun 17E Motorglider group
For anyone interested in the Taifun 17E motorglider, there is a new
discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taifun17E/ The Valentin Taifun 17E is a motorglider (or self-launching sailplane). It has 2 seats, side by side, a 17m (56 ft) wingspan, retractable gear, flaps and spoilers. It has a nose-mounted Limbach motor of either 80hp or 90hp, driving a feathering prop. Factory specifications show a best glide of 29:1 and a thermaling speed of 49-52 kts. Performance is said to be comparable to the Ximango and in the same general class as the Diamond Katana/Xtreme, Grob 109 and Pipistrel Sinus. Anyone who owns, flies, or has a general interest in the Taifun should come on over and visit! |
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New - Taifun 17E Motorglider group
I guess sometimes the lines between motorglider and self-launch sailplane
get blurred (thank you Dr. Stemme :c). However, I'd consider the Taifun, Carat, Grob 109, etc, as motorgliders or touring motorgliders. Generally their L/D might be 25 to 35 or thereabouts. The ASH26E, DG-808B etc (those with propellers on pylons that hide away after launch to leave what looks like a "pure glider" behind, fall more into the category of "self-launch". L/D can be as much as 50 or more. The Stemme does both, possessing the excellent power and ground handling capabilities of the best touring motorgliders, along with the soaring performance of a good self-launcher. The Stemme can do things I wouldn't attempt in my ASH26E. Of course this capability comes at a price - - both in Euros and in systems complexity. Opinions? -- bumper ZZ (reverse all after @) "Dare to be different . . . circle in sink." Quit Vent kit and MKII "high tech" Yaw String wrote in message ups.com... For anyone interested in the Taifun 17E motorglider, there is a new discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taifun17E/ The Valentin Taifun 17E is a motorglider (or self-launching sailplane). It has 2 seats, side by side, a 17m (56 ft) wingspan, retractable gear, flaps and spoilers. It has a nose-mounted Limbach motor of either 80hp or 90hp, driving a feathering prop. Factory specifications show a best glide of 29:1 and a thermaling speed of 49-52 kts. Performance is said to be comparable to the Ximango and in the same general class as the Diamond Katana/Xtreme, Grob 109 and Pipistrel Sinus. Anyone who owns, flies, or has a general interest in the Taifun should come on over and visit! |
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New - Taifun 17E Motorglider group
In Germany & Switzerland, we have a clear distinction between touring
motorgligers (TMG) and powered sailplanes through the licenses which are required to fly either of them. For a powered glider (turbo or selflauncher) you need an additional entry in your glider license, for a TMG you need a TMG license. You can't fly a TMG with a glider license, or a powered sailplane with a TMG license. The LBA maintains a list of models with their attributions to one or the other group. The main criterion is whether the aircraft can be reasonably used for crouise under power (TMG) or if the power plant is optimized for climb only (DG, Ventus, Nimbus, ASH,...) The Stemme is the only aircraft with decent soaring capabilities which has been classified TMG. "bumper" wrote in message ... I guess sometimes the lines between motorglider and self-launch sailplane get blurred (thank you Dr. Stemme :c). However, I'd consider the Taifun, Carat, Grob 109, etc, as motorgliders or touring motorgliders. Generally their L/D might be 25 to 35 or thereabouts. The ASH26E, DG-808B etc (those with propellers on pylons that hide away after launch to leave what looks like a "pure glider" behind, fall more into the category of "self-launch". L/D can be as much as 50 or more. The Stemme does both, possessing the excellent power and ground handling capabilities of the best touring motorgliders, along with the soaring performance of a good self-launcher. The Stemme can do things I wouldn't attempt in my ASH26E. Of course this capability comes at a price - - both in Euros and in systems complexity. Opinions? -- bumper ZZ (reverse all after @) "Dare to be different . . . circle in sink." Quit Vent kit and MKII "high tech" Yaw String wrote in message ups.com... For anyone interested in the Taifun 17E motorglider, there is a new discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taifun17E/ The Valentin Taifun 17E is a motorglider (or self-launching sailplane). It has 2 seats, side by side, a 17m (56 ft) wingspan, retractable gear, flaps and spoilers. It has a nose-mounted Limbach motor of either 80hp or 90hp, driving a feathering prop. Factory specifications show a best glide of 29:1 and a thermaling speed of 49-52 kts. Performance is said to be comparable to the Ximango and in the same general class as the Diamond Katana/Xtreme, Grob 109 and Pipistrel Sinus. Anyone who owns, flies, or has a general interest in the Taifun should come on over and visit! |
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New - Taifun 17E Motorglider group
bumper wrote: The Stemme can do things I wouldn't attempt in my ASH26E. Of course this capability comes at a price - - both in Euros and in systems complexity. I've always been curious why you changed from Stemme to ASH26E. I'd assumed it may have been a progressive conversion from being an airplane pilot to being a glider pilot. What can the Stemme do that the ASH26E can't? (excluding the obvious like taking a skinny passenger) Andy |
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"Andy" wrote in message ps.com... I've always been curious why you changed from Stemme to ASH26E. I'd assumed it may have been a progressive conversion from being an airplane pilot to being a glider pilot. What can the Stemme do that the ASH26E can't? (excluding the obvious like taking a skinny passenger) Andy For a couple of years, I had both the Stemme and the ASH26E . I designed a hydraulic lift and tow out assembly that allowed the 26E to be kept assembled in the hangar, towing it out to the ramp sideways. This made it quicker to get ready to fly than the Stemme, which takes just minutes to unfold the wings. Since most of my flying was solo, and the 26E is more nimble, the Stemme was gathering cobwebs. The Stemme can be flown in level powered flight at over 125 knots, so flying under an overcast isn't an issue. Being turbocharged and intercooled allows easy cruise climbs to 18K for long saw tooth glides when it's necessary to make lots of distance (assuming one doesn't have the time to soar). The Stemme's excellent ground handling capability means that it can easily operate out of towered airports. From my experience, it can taxi in winds as high as 35 knots, turning into, away from, or cross wind in such high winds isn't a problem as long as one uses due care. A skilled pilot can land in as much as 25 knots of crosswind (though this is more than the demonstrated crosswind). Conditions like these would have me leaving the 26E in the box! The Stemme's unique combination of capability and performance makes it ideal for safaris and multi-day cross country trips - - no ground support needed. I do love the 26E though (g). bumper |
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New - Taifun 17E Motorglider group
On Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 6:00:04 PM UTC+3, wrote:
For anyone interested in the Taifun 17E motorglider, there is a new discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Taifun17E/ The Valentin Taifun 17E is a motorglider (or self-launching sailplane). It has 2 seats, side by side, a 17m (56 ft) wingspan, retractable gear, flaps and spoilers. It has a nose-mounted Limbach motor of either 80hp or 90hp, driving a feathering prop. Factory specifications show a best glide of 29:1 and a thermaling speed of 49-52 kts. Performance is said to be comparable to the Ximango and in the same general class as the Diamond Katana/Xtreme, Grob 109 and Pipistrel Sinus. Anyone who owns, flies, or has a general interest in the Taifun should come on over and visit! Hi guys we happen to have a brand new Rotax912A3 engine, any idea if that will fit in our Taifun17EII with a limbach 2400 EB Engine? what are the modification required etc..?? |
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