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Old airframe, new engine
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now lets have another go at it. You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well? My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for the Crusader. *********************************************** ACC USN ret. NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR 67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85 & 74-77 Co-founder of newsgroup - RAMN Anti-spam measures in action. For e-mail response delete "nospam" *********************************************** |
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Jim Strand wrote: Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now lets have another go at it. You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well? My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for the Crusader. *********************************************** ACC USN ret. NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR 67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85 & 74-77 Co-founder of newsgroup - RAMN Anti-spam measures in action. For e-mail response delete "nospam" *********************************************** Here's mine: 1) A-6 2) F-4E 3) A-4 4) A-7 Posted via www.My-Newsgroups.com - web to news gateway for usenet access! |
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On 10/14/03 9:49 AM, in article 3f8c0d21$1@bg2., "Matt Wiser"
wrote: Jim Strand wrote: Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now lets have another go at it. You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well? My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for the Crusader. *********************************************** ACC USN ret. NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR 67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85 & 74-77 Co-founder of newsgroup - RAMN Anti-spam measures in action. For e-mail response delete "nospam" *********************************************** Here's mine: 1) A-6 SNIP Ditto. A-6E (naturally) upgraded to the A-6F would have been good enough for me. Unfortunately, the tail couldn't handle the normal shock from the 404. I'd also love to see engines in the F/A-18 that would give it the T/W of the Viper. Pipe dream. --Woody |
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Re the 'Rutowski' climb path. We got the word from Eglin AFB around
1965 and used it in the 104A with the old J79-3b engine. It worked nicely but had to be flown precisely to avoid wasting fuel. When we got the J79-19 it was such a thrust improvement (17900 vice 13850) we didn't bother. One nifty climb profile was to accelerate to 600 KIAS at say 1000 AGL after T/O (height optional as long as you didn't get caught) about a mile or so off the end of the runway and then maintain 600 to crossover to M2.0. Made for quick intercepts and was quite exhilirating! This was a real case of a new engine (F4E/S)in an old (1956) airframe. Walt BJ |
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"Jim Strand" wrote in message ... Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see the comments. Seeing as how we have a few new faces around here now lets have another go at it. You are able to select any tactical jet airframe from the past. We'll assume all engines would fit properly. What bird would you like to fly again if it had modern engines and avionics as well? My first tour of duty was at NKX when Fightertown meant F-4's and F-8's. Always wondered what a new series engine would have done for the Crusader. From my generation it would be the following, Attack: I think it would have to be an A-4. An afterburner TF30-3 of about 18,000 lbs thrust would have made it an even better "Hot Rod". I didn't have a lot of hours in it, but it was pure fun. Fighter: The F-8/RF-8 would be my first choice. It needed an engine of about 5,000 lbs more thrust. I would have liked to fly the F104 though, just to see what it would do. I think I would like a ride in an MIG-21 though. It was the "boogie-man" for so many years it would be nice to see what it would really do. For hauling ass: The RA-5C with the dash 10 engines of course. Maybe another couple 1000 lbs thrust and the ability to pull 4 or 5 G's. A strong second would have to be the F-105. Although the B-58 that made the low level supersonic flight from Texas to Calif and back was probably the all-time champ. From later generation aircraft: I guess the only one that excites me is the F-16. Maybe low level ride in a B1B. I don't get turned on by the F-14, F-15, F/A-18, or any of the others. Yeah, I know the B-58 and the B1B were not tactical aircraft, but this is make believe anyway. For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love. Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft. |
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On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article
, "R" wrote: "Jim Strand" wrote in message ... Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see SNIP For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love. Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but became an "under" over time. trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft. --Woody |
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"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article , "R" wrote: "Jim Strand" wrote in message ... Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see SNIP For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love. Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but became an "under" over time. Well it only happened once! I could have sworn that the power lines were a couple miles on the other side of the Aqueduct.:-) Heck, I was lucky, one F-8 driver put out the lights in SoCal, (actually it was daylight, but never let the facts interfere with a good sea story.) Both he and the aircraft survived, to face the wrath. It just proved that the titanium intake was a good cable cutter. trying to sneak up on Yuma it was great aircraft. --Woody Besides if it didn't happen that way it should have. Red |
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Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote:
On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article , "R" wrote: "Jim Strand" wrote in message ... Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see SNIP For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love. Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but became an "under" over time. Check out the F-4 at the Combat Air Museum in Toopeka KS. It is called the Wichita Lineman since it came back from a mission streaming cable from the vertical stabilizer. MAH |
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I did not see it listed on the web site.
http://www.combatairmuseum.org/aircraft.htm Any other information on this bird? Woody mah wrote: Check out the F-4 at the Combat Air Museum in Toopeka KS. It is called the Wichita Lineman since it came back from a mission streaming cable from the vertical stabilizer. MAH |
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James Woody wrote:
I did not see it listed on the web site. http://www.combatairmuseum.org/aircraft.htm Any other information on this bird? Woody The aircraft was there 3 years ago during my visit. I assume it is still there. I'll look through my photos and see if I can dig up a tail number. MAH |
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