I've had it with Chinese tools!

I've had it with the El Cheapo Corp. tools I've been buying from vendors at
OSH and other places. When I really need them to deliver, they break or fail
to work as they should.

I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked
perfectly), snips, needle nose pliers, wire cutters, etc. I'm not looking
for fancy displays at airshows or chrome plated crap or paying money for
brand names, I want reliable tools that I can rely on when I need them to do
their jobs.

Comments? Suggestions?



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used to
use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always worked

I have no idea what the marines use but I've never had a better tool than
anything made in the U.S. by Klein tools.

Try this link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5963493E

At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think so.
I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and parties,
performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at reasonable
prices.

"Daniel" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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I need a set of QUALITY safety wire pliers (like the great ones we used
to use in the Marines in the late 70's and 80's, damn things always
worked

I have no idea what the marines use but I've never had a better tool than
anything made in the U.S. by Klein tools.

Try this link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5963493E




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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
reasonable prices.

Ok, you might try ebay for a used pair, in truth most quality tool
manufacturers are having trouble because everyone is shopping for price. I
can vouch for these as well worth the money, you won't find better anywhere.
I've never regretted buying quality tools. I have regretted the money spent
on poor tools before I broke down and opened the wallet.

You can't do better than Klien's for pliers along with other tools.
Unfortunatly it takes quite a while to afford to replace everything you
need now. If you want a good quality tool go to Ace hardware, buy the
Ace hardware brand. These are good tools and just like craftsman, they
are guaranteed for life (not many people know this). I rarely have a
problem with them and they don't cost an arm and a leg..
Lou

Hmm. Does ACE have things like safety wire pliers?

"Lou" wrote in message
ups.com...

You can't do better than Klien's for pliers along with other tools.
Unfortunatly it takes quite a while to afford to replace everything you
need now. If you want a good quality tool go to Ace hardware, buy the
Ace hardware brand. These are good tools and just like craftsman, they
are guaranteed for life (not many people know this). I rarely have a
problem with them and they don't cost an arm and a leg..
Lou




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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
reasonable prices.


The options a
1. Cheap
2. Good quality
3. Works well
You get to choose two...

Good quality tools cost a lot of money. They are made for professionals who
make a living with them. For those, $100 isn't much for a set of tools that
save them a lot of time every day and allow them to deliver high quality
work.

For us with occasional use of these tools it may not make sense to buy them
new, so the new options a
1. Buy second-hand
2. Rent from a high quality shop
3. Share by joining a builders club with good facilities and tools.

But as you already experienced, stay away from el-cheapo junk. It's
frustrating to work with and the result is usually disappointing too..

Rob

"Rob Turk" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
reasonable prices.


The options a
1. Cheap

I said reasonable, not cheap.

Good quality tools cost a lot of money. They are made for professionals
who make a living with them. For those, $100 isn't much for a set of tools
that save them a lot of time every day and allow them to deliver high
quality work.

Again, I said $100 for a _single_ small safety wire pliers is excessive. If
you can get me the SET for $100, I agree it's a good price.

For us with occasional use of these tools it may not make sense to buy
them new, so the new options a
1. Buy second-hand
2. Rent from a high quality shop
3. Share by joining a builders club with good facilities and tools.

There's one more, frequent the pawn shops around large airports or large
aircraft maintenance or manufacture facilities. It worked well for me when I
lived in the DFW area but I live in the Caribbean now...

Juan



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Juan Jimenez wrote:

At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think so.
I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and parties,
performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at reasonable
prices.

I feel your pain.

30 years ago, there was middle grades of tools
that were reasonably priced and would last a
lifetime. The middle ground seems to have
disappeared.

I'm still ok with the most expensive grade of
Craftsman tools. They are not as good as they
used to be, but are still better than most of
the crap in hardware stores.

As to the safety wire pliers, I'd expect to
pay $100 for a quality pair. They are a low
volume item and must be assembled from several
parts. Even a decent pair of vicegrips cost
$20 these days and they probably turn them
out in the 100's of thousands.

Keep an eye on military surplus sales. You
might find the one you used in the Marines (:
I'd certainly like to have the one that was
in my toolbox in the Army.

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:

At $100 a pop for the smallest set of safety wire pliers? I don't think
so. I am not interested in subsidizing airshow display trailers and
parties, performer sponsorships, etc. What I want is realiable tools at
reasonable prices.

I feel your pain.

30 years ago, there was middle grades of tools
that were reasonably priced and would last a
lifetime. The middle ground seems to have
disappeared.

Amen. That is very true.

I'm still ok with the most expensive grade of
Craftsman tools. They are not as good as they
used to be, but are still better than most of
the crap in hardware stores.

As to the safety wire pliers, I'd expect to
pay $100 for a quality pair. They are a low
volume item and must be assembled from several
parts. Even a decent pair of vicegrips cost
$20 these days and they probably turn them
out in the 100's of thousands.

I still can't see $100 for 6" safety wire pliers. $50, yes, but not much
more than that. I don't need fancy features like left or right hand, etc.
Just a good reliable tools is all I need.

Keep an eye on military surplus sales. You
might find the one you used in the Marines (:
I'd certainly like to have the one that was
in my toolbox in the Army.

Have you found these surplus sales in small qty's? I've seen some but they
come by the palletload.

Juan



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