Old airframe, new engine

F-8 drivers were some of the best I have ever seen, like Thud drivers, had
to
be....

Primarily because the bad ones all killed themselves. Darwinism at its
purest.

R / John

USAF equivalent was the Zipper. Great and honest airplane - just don't screw up.
Walt BJ

Walt- USAF equivalent was the Zipper. BRBR

Zipper??
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Also known as the Lockheed F-104; prime USAF version was the F-104C.

Steve

"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
Walt- USAF equivalent was the Zipper. BRBR

Zipper??
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

I seriously think that would frighten a few people.. good choice
but IMHO there are lots of Brit a/c that have scared the Americans so much that
the US corporate machine has had to pull all sorts of nasty tricks to get them
axed.

stobey- Also known as the Lockheed F-104; prime USAF version was the F-104C.
BRBR

Got it, thanks...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:44:58 -0500, mah wrote:

Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote:

On 10/14/03 11:05 AM, in article
, "R"
wrote:


"Jim Strand" wrote in message
...
Every year or so I post a similar version of this. Always nice to see
SNIP

For me the winner would be the F-8. You never forget your first love.
Whether it was climbing out of Key West after a Cuban MIG, doing a vertical
pass on a Bear, or flying under the power lines in southern California

Something tells me that "under" the power lines was once an "over" but
became an "under" over time.

Check out the F-4 at the Combat Air Museum in Toopeka KS. It is called
the Wichita Lineman since it came back from a mission streaming cable
from the vertical stabilizer.

MAH

There's an account of a Su-24 Fencer picking up a piece of fence at
the end of a runway in Afganistan and completing the mission with said
fence attached to the aircraft.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:06:38 -0700, Mary Shafer
wrote:

On 19 Oct 2003 21:16:53 -0700, (WaltBJ) wrote:

Mary Shafer wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:41:47 +0100, "José Herculano"
wrote:

No jet ever made (or that ever will be made) had enough power.

Possible exception of the F/A-22 Raptor under current conditions...

How about the big black twin two-seater I used to work on? Whatever
its limitations, lack of thrust wasn't one.

It's not every airplane that can burn 85,000 lb of fuel in just over
an hour, you know.

Come on, Mary; an F4 on the deck burns at the rate of 1500 a minute,
90,000 an hour, and even goes a lot faster than the 71 down there. Of
course, it'll be dry in about 7 minutes (clean), but it's a great ride
to bingo.

I guess I should have written "can carry and burn", shouldn't I? The
only thing that stopped the F-4 from burning 85,000 lb of fuel in just
over an hour was insufficient tankage (or not enough hard points for
all the drop tanks).

Incidentally, most people know that the SR-71 used the dipsy-doodle to
convert potential energy to kinetic energy (altitude to velocity)
through the transonic region. Many people think it could only go
supersonic if it dipsy-doodled, but that wasn't the case. It could
get supersonic flying straight and level, too. However, as soon as it
did, it pretty much had to slow down and go look for the tanker. This
took a little longer than seven minutes, though.

I don't have the numbers at hand, but I suspect Concorde was right up
there with the SR-71 for fuel consumption, too.

Mary



XB-70 was probably up there too.

(R4tm4ster) wrote in message ...
I seriously think that would frighten a few people.. good choice
but IMHO there are lots of Brit a/c that have scared the Americans so much that the US corporate machine has had to pull all sorts of nasty tricks to get them
axed.

Your own Duncan Sandys did a proper job - he didn't need any help from
the USA.
Hawker, Saunders-Roe and English Electric all had good designs until
Sandys axed them with his infamous White Paper. The EE P6 turned out
fairly well but years too late. I would like to see a list of the
types you're thinking of, though.
Walt BJ

Oops, sorry for using slang. FWIW the 83FIS had the F104A at Hamilton
AFB CA back in the mid fifties. They went through 18 airplanes in the
first year, including one with the CO in it who disappeared over San
Francisco Bay on GCA final. I knew a guy who bailed out of three of
them in about 18 months. This was before GE got the bugs out of the
J79 (oil leaks, IGVs going wide open and stalling the engine).
1964-1967 we lost 9 out of 30 aircraft and 7 pilots flying out of a
11500 foot runway in sunny Florida. 2 oxygen problems at high altitude
(2guys), one fuel starvation (gauge 500# high)(1 guy), one engine FOD
after liftoff (1 guy), one starter blowup (aircraft non-reparable -
fire)one comopressor stall airborne and crash on landing (two seater,
2 guys, 2 DFCs), one engine flat quit with successful ejection and
water pickup, one split flap in the pattern (1 guy), can't remember
the last one. And these were with mature aircraft and high-time pilots
- squadron average was about 2500 hours.
Walt BJ