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Lancair crash at SnF
"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:yckQj.67983$y05.63596
@newsfe22.lga: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... WingFlaps wrote in news:ac05ca83-bbc8-4c3b- 9469- : On Apr 25, 8:31 pm, Stefan wrote: WingFlaps schrieb: Try reading the statement again, here it is: "Now we add in the energy losses from having to accelerate with the wind and to glide speed." To summarise your missed point, the pilot control inputs cost energy that is not factored into simple glide/time analysis. This is absolutely correct. But then, I dont understand the connection to your first statement regarding the wind. Additioinal drag by control input is completely unrelated to the presence or non-presence of wind. Itls a turn upwind to downwind. That involves 2 direction changes, one to reverse course and the the other to line up the runway. If there's wind there will be an effect on line up. Try thinking about more factors that cost altitude OK? It's not so much the loss of altitude that will get you in this manuever. it's the probable loss of control trying to manuever around back towards the field. Firstly, in any emergency that hasnt been drilled, you will have a moment where you will be sitting there with your mouth open in utter disbelief of what has just happened. in fact, even if you have drilled for it you will still have this moment, but if it's been practiced the moment you begine to do something about it will be sooner coming. While you're sitting there wondering what's going on, the speed will be bleeding off. Not good. Then, you will have to manuever the airplane around using rapid manuevering at a relatively high bank angle if you're going to make it (I'm assuiming you're still pretty low) and if you aren't 100% au fait with this sort of flying you're going to be very lucky to be able to maintain control of the airplane before the ground reaches up and smites you. This is less about the maths than the pilot;'s proficiency. The pilot who is proficient enough to do this will have determined an altitude above which he knows it is possible to do it and so the question will not be one of whether it's within the performance capabilities of the airplane, but one of whether the pilot can accurately control the airplane through the required manuever. Here is what you'll have to do the instant the engine gives up: Smooothly lower the nose as you roll just as smoothly, but as quickly as possible, towards the crosswind, if any. You will have to continue to lower the nose as the turn, which should ideally have at least 60 deg of bank, is completed. you should be just nibbling the stall during this, and , needless to say, perfectly co-ordinated. Pitch control is now critical as what you're trying to do is cheat physics by offloading the wing as you turn. a 60 degree bank in level flight will give you a stall speed of 1.4 VSO and you should be below that so you're right on the edge. This is all about having very good seat of the pants capability based on experience. As you approach the desired heading to your landing spot, you have to smoothly roll out and get the nose up and back to a good glide attitude. You'll have sacrificed some altitude doing the sharp turn, but far less than you would have making a wider turn with a gentle bank. As you level the wings, you should be on, or close to, your desired glide speed. This is a difficult manuever to pull off. Even practicing at a bit of altitude has some risks. you're going to pull a bit of G and it's easy to lose the plot and either spin out of it or overstress the airframe praciticing it unless you know what you're doing. It's not really something that most pilots should even consider. Someone flying 25 hours a year s unlikely ever to become sharp enough to do this reliably. I certainly wouldn't try it now unless there was no choice. There's a lot of crap talked about turning back and most of the accidents occuring as a result of this are because the pilot has heard it's possible and decides to learn how to do it when it actually happens. Most modern flight manuals tell you it isn't possible but this advice is ignored by guys who reckon they're a cut above because they did the math or tried it once or twice at altitude or because they read about it here. Bertie Now come on, Dudley wrote this for you, didn't he? Nope. Bertie |
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