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Garmin 430
Mark,
The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc. Are you kidding? Of course the 430 has a glideslope receiver. It doesn't have an INDICATOR, but that's a different thing. You need a separate CDI indicator anyway to be certified for IFR approaches - the built-in page won't do. That CDI/glide slope indicator may contain the required annunciators, too. Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument certified? Well, here you have to be careful. There are some who will argue that you can legally fly IFR with nothing more than a hand-held GPS unit. I don't think so. You can review FAR 91.205 for required equipment and instruments, and specifically sub-section (d), which covers IFR. Yep. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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NDB approaches not *quite* dead yet
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Garmin 430
On 12/6/2005 16:22, Ron Lee wrote:
The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc. It has full ILS capability once you provide the CDI unit. I have done my instrument training with that one unit only. I Guess I was thinking of the unit in GPS mode. Yes, you can still tune in ILS stations and fly ILS approaches with the unit in VLOC mode (assuming you have the right indicators). Sorry for the confusion. Ron Lee -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA |
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Garmin 430
On 12/6/2005 15:50, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/6/2005 15:25, wrote: I have a VFR only 172 and I am considering IFR training. I am looking for the most practical way to make my plane IFR certified and useful. At first glance, it appears to me that the Garmin 430 provides a LOT of useful information for relatively not much money. I have 2 questions though.... to use the glideslope / VOR / LOC functions of the 430, do I have to have a glide slope indicator and VOR indicator or are these bits of information displayed on hte 430 unit? The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc. Oops, I meant the unit in GPS mode. The unit can be placed in VLOC mode and used with an ILS station, assuming you have the right indicators (CDI w/glide slope). I thought the poster was asking about the use of the 430 as a stand-alone unit with no other instrumentation. Is this one piece of equipment enough to enable my 172 to be instrument certified? Well, here you have to be careful. There are some who will argue that you can legally fly IFR with nothing more than a hand-held GPS unit. You can review FAR 91.205 for required equipment and instruments, and specifically sub-section (d), which covers IFR. The Garmin GNS 430 is a TSO C-129 certified unit, so although it can be used as the sole means of IFR navigation, you must have an alternate means of navigation on board and functional (there's a lot more to this, but this is the jist of it). There is a section in the AIM that talks about the use of a GPS system in lieu of other navigation equipment, and when it is allowed. You should check that out as well. Basically, if you don't have a glide slope receiver, you won't be able to fly any precision approaches. If you don't have an ADF, you won't be able to fly any NDB approaches (not that there are that many left). Let me know if you have any more questions, and watch out: there are going to be a lot of opinions on this one (just look at the other GPS threads over the last couple of months or so...). I realize that I will be needing backup instruments to reliably fly in IMC, that will come with time...what I need now is training and learned proficiency. Simulators can help with some types of proficiency. Let me know if you want to talk about that. Thanks, Jamie A. Landers PP-ASEL -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA |
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Garmin 430
Mark,
I thought the poster was asking about the use of the 430 as a stand-alone unit with no other instrumentation. That would not be an instrument-certified installation. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Garmin 430
John R. Copeland wrote On 12/06/05 16:03,:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope. See the second sentence of the first paragraph at: http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/ I think they are talking about the wire that goes out. There is ZERO GS indication on the unit itself. |
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Garmin 430
Scott Moore wrote:
John R. Copeland wrote On 12/06/05 16:03,: "Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... The 430 does not have a glide slope. It is not certified for use in precision approaches. It does have a page that will show you the CDI for tracking VOR and Localizers, etc. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Garmin says the GNS 430 has a glide slope. See the second sentence of the first paragraph at: http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430/ I think they are talking about the wire that goes out. There is ZERO GS indication on the unit itself. In order to be approved as an IFR installation the 430 has to drive an external CDI or HSI where the G/S will be displayed. |
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