Presidential TFRs -- AUGH!

John T wrote:

Sure, those being protected by these roaming TFRs are elected officials
(for the most part) and nominally work for us (the relative few who
actually
bother to vote). Contrary to what some will have you believe, though, the
occupant of the White House has no input into this process. It's the
security bureaucracy that makes this call - and they don't report to the
electorate. See the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC for
a
previous example under a different political party. The security folks
take their job - protecting the office, not the person - very seriously.
Unfortunately, we're suffering the side-effects of their vigor.

I don't actually know anything about how these decisions are made, but I'm
sceptical of your assertion that the person being protected has zero say in
the matter. If security were my job, and I were the absolute arbiter of
how that job were achieved, my first rule would be "no [in-person] public
appearances".

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

I don't actually know anything about how these decisions are made,
but I'm sceptical of your assertion that the person being protected
has zero say in the matter. If security were my job, and I were the
absolute arbiter of how that job were achieved, my first rule would
be "no [in-person] public appearances".

Remember my point about not being able to create a perfect security
blanket...

Public appearances is a point of discussion - both between the politicians
and the security folks as well as among the security folks themselves. How
do you protect a public personality when they insist on and must be in
public appearances for their job? The protected person may have some input
into where and when they go, but the security of the appearance is something
they rarely (and probably should not) concern themselves with.

--
John T
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If security were my job, and I were the absolute arbiter of
how that job were achieved, my first rule would be "no [in-person] public
appearances".

I agree with that. If a president can't travel without a 50-mile TFR,
he probably shouldn't travel at all.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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John T wrote:
bother to vote). Contrary to what some will have you believe, though, the
occupant of the White House has no input into this process. It's the
security bureaucracy that makes this call - and they don't report to the
electorate. See the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC for a
previous example under a different political party. The security folks take
their job - protecting the *office*, not the person - very seriously.
Unfortunately, we're suffering the side-effects of their vigor.

I think the President *could* do something. He could go to the head of
the Secret Service and say "lift the ADIZ and reduce the number of TFRs or
you're fired". If that he resists, he fires him, and goes to the next in
the command chain. At some point, the Secret Service "management" would
do it. But that would assume the President had balls.

--- Jay



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Am I to assume you perform open-heart surgery on yourself instead of
consulting a specialist?

The primary job of the Secret Service is to protect the President and other
officials. And they are pretty well world-renowned for their expertise.
Quite reasonably, the President generally defers to their judgment.

But since 9/11, far too many of us have lined up like sheep behind various
security "experts", forgetting that security experts don't make any money
unless they continually come up with new threats, along with the associated
responses.

But, just like walking safely down the street at midnight, preventing
terrorism first requires an application of common sense. And frequently,
that's all that needs to be applied.

We all like to talk about ADIZ's and TFR's, but they are only the tip of a
very large iceberg. What we need is for all of us to contact our elected
leaders and demand a rational re-evaluation of the security measures now in
place with the primary purpose of eliminating as many of them as possible.
When people have to wait 6 hours in an airport security line in order to
make a 30 minute flight because a rat ran through the terminal, something is
very wrong.

It's time to make some realistic threat assessments and put some realistic
security measures and equipment in place!

And don't even get me started on guns in the cockpit...


"Jay Masino" wrote in message
...
John T wrote:
bother to vote). Contrary to what some will have you believe, though,
the
occupant of the White House has no input into this process. It's the
security bureaucracy that makes this call - and they don't report to the
electorate. See the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC
for a
previous example under a different political party. The security folks
take
their job - protecting the *office*, not the person - very seriously.
Unfortunately, we're suffering the side-effects of their vigor.

I think the President *could* do something. He could go to the head of
the Secret Service and say "lift the ADIZ and reduce the number of TFRs or
you're fired". If that he resists, he fires him, and goes to the next in
the command chain. At some point, the Secret Service "management" would
do it. But that would assume the President had balls.

--- Jay



--
__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...
Am I to assume you perform open-heart surgery on yourself instead of
consulting a specialist?

The primary job of the Secret Service is to protect the President and
other
officials. And they are pretty well world-renowned for their expertise.

The other main job of the SS is to protect the currency against
counterfeiting. Strange how it always come back to money!

The Congressional staffers prefer to excercise playing basketball...
The Congresscritters themselves prefer softball...
The Senators prefer handball...
The President plays golf...

All of which says the higher you get in politics, the smaller your balls are.

{;-)


Jim (stopped at the county level) Weir






(Jay Masino)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

But that would assume the President had balls.
-
---- Jay

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jay Masino wrote:

I think the President *could* do something. He could go to the head of
the Secret Service and say "lift the ADIZ and reduce the number of TFRs or
you're fired". If that he resists, he fires him, and goes to the next in
the command chain. At some point, the Secret Service "management" would
do it. But that would assume the President had balls.

I doubt it's so much a matter of "balls" as it is the inevitable
concomitant of the Secret Service's dedication to protecting the
"office". Pretty quickly the "office-holder" begins to think the same way.

Whether that's ego, or a something like a sense of noblesse oblige, I
couldn't say.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

Jack wrote:

Whether that's ego, or a something like a sense of noblesse oblige, I
couldn't say.

Well, since noblesse oblige is an obligation of the nobility to consider the problems
of the less fortunate, it isn't that. Perhaps it's a sense of privilege?

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

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Sure -- the ONE time in my life I want to fly to Superior, WI, in the middle
of absolutely no where Wisconsin, to visit the Bong Museum

Y'know, not being a big WW-II buff, I read "Bong Museum" and I got to
wondering if it was a good idea for an activist trying to save his
airport to publically admit a fascination with drug paraphernalia...

....then I found http://www.bongheritagecenter.org and any doubts about
Jay's judgement were erased.

Otto