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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Neil Gould" wrote in message y.com... Recently, Matt Barrow posted: "Neil Gould" wrote in message Recently, Matt Barrow posted: Gee...isn't hindsight beautiful? Wanna bet a months pay which side you'd have been on IN REAL TIME? Bet that145 years ago, you'd been "Massa". As a matter of historical fact, my ancestors were not "Massa" as far back as the early 1700s, which is about as far back as I've been able to trace them. I didn't say your ancestors, I said YOU! In which case, this is even more unlikely. I am completely against the idea that people can be "owned" by another person. Like I said, hindsight is easy. When you learn to differentiate between yourself and other people...unless you have multiple personalities. What "other people" might you be referring to, Matt? I thought you were referring to something that could be empirically determined but was obviously mistaken, as your "clarification" suggests. Well, if you're that anal... None the less, your "clarification" only makes things easier, since I am quite clear about my attitudes toward slavery, and they are completely incongruous with any possibility of being "Massa". See hindsight remarks above. Here's a question for you to see how firm your position is: Is health care a right? At the very least should it be provided in some cases by government? Get your check ready. |
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I did NOT say this...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote in | I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of | the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the | descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? | Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the | past, yes, but get over it. | "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message . .. | Skywise wrote: | "Jim Macklin" wrote in | I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of | the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the | descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? | Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the | past, yes, but get over it. | | | | None of the above. My maternal ancestors came over during the Potato Famine to | Massachusetts. It's safe to assume they didn't own anybody. My paternal | grandparents came here from Austria in 1920. hey didn't own anyone either. | Given those facts, I don't believe I owe anyone ****. | | The Poles abused my grandfather; he hated them. Do I hate Poles? Hell, no. | What have they ever done to *me*? Nothing. What's in the past is in the past. | If it were a part of my own life experience, I might hold a grudge. But it | isn't... so I don't. | | People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson latch onto issues like this to cover | their personal lack of achievement. | | | | -- | Mortimer Schnerd, RN | | VE | | |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
Matt Barrow wrote: I didn't say your ancestors, I said YOU! Oh, I think that is a cheap out. Not that I didn't expect it. |
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Recently, Matt Barrow posted:
"Neil Gould" wrote in message Recently, Matt Barrow posted: "Neil Gould" wrote in message Recently, Matt Barrow posted: Gee...isn't hindsight beautiful? Wanna bet a months pay which side you'd have been on IN REAL TIME? Bet that145 years ago, you'd been "Massa". As a matter of historical fact, my ancestors were not "Massa" as far back as the early 1700s, which is about as far back as I've been able to trace them. I didn't say your ancestors, I said YOU! In which case, this is even more unlikely. I am completely against the idea that people can be "owned" by another person. Like I said, hindsight is easy. And, in my case, completely unnecessary to determine the issue you presented. Here's a question for you to see how firm your position is: Is health care a right? Not in the USA. At the very least should it be provided in some cases by government? That depends on the type of society that US citizens want to have. I play the cards in my hand, not the ones that might have been dealt under some imaginary circumstances. YMMV. Neil |
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"Jules" wrote in message ... Matt Barrow wrote: I didn't say your ancestors, I said YOU! Oh, I think that is a cheap out. Not that I didn't expect it. The statement was obvious, but I guess I should have expected an adolescent evasion/spin in response. |
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"Jules" wrote in message ... Matt Barrow wrote: I didn't say your ancestors, I said YOU! Oh, I think that is a cheap out. Not that I didn't expect it. If I wanted his family history, I would have asked for family history. Are you MPD too? |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: "Skywise" wrote in message ... "Gary Drescher" wrote in : "Skywise" wrote in message ... Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me, and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging. You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to its rightful owner). Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people back to their African home nations? That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment suggests you do). I see I forgot to add a to my comment. I was being rhetorical. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: "Skywise" wrote in message ... Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years ago by people and to people who are long dead. Who is talking about *punitive* reparations? I was, from the very first post I made in this thread. It now appears our whole argument is based on your misreading of my post. Or is this one of those arguments where one side keeps changing the subject of what's being argued over? The ol' "moving the goalposts" problem. I rather suspect it is and have no further desire to continue the discussion. For your reference, here's the text of the post I made in response to a comment made by Jim Macklin, "Jim Macklin" wrote in news:UEpgg.26071$ZW3.17560@dukeread04: Snipola Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years ago. I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the past, yes, but get over it. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in news:OGWgg.8$yy2.2877
@news.uswest.net: "Skywise" wrote in message ... "Gary Drescher" wrote in : Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years ago by people and to people who are long dead. Don't try using rationality on an irrational dupe. Yes, that's becoming clear to me in this case. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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Jim Macklin wrote: Do you have the transcript? I don't, but I remember what I heard. I have not read the book, what I heard was in an interview on C-SPAN. Someone else posted a link elsewhere in the thread. It may not have been to a transcript of what you heard. Even if he literally said something like, "I'm glad my ancestors were brought here as slaves so I'm living here today instead of in Africa." by NO sgtretch of the imagination could that be interpretted as though he preferred that to his ancestors coming to the US as free immigrants, or that his ancestors who were slaves were _themselves_ better off because of it. Not that anyone said that, but some folks might be thinking it was said. E.g. being the descendant of a slave in the most of the US may well bebetter than being the descendant of free people in much of Africa. That's because in both cases it matters little whom your ancestors were, so long as they were African. -- FF |
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