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Aviation fuel - price of crude...
Up above $53/barrel now.... Can we *puhleeeze* start developing our own oil
in Alaska; off the coast of Calif. and the gulf now??? Or should we just keep on doing what we are doing ... nothing... in total denial and keep paying out the anal cavity to other countries. In my opinion it is way past time to start developing our own oil here at home. Put Americans to work and help our own economy at the same time and reduce the trade deficit while we are at it. And why not start building a few more nuclear power plants to replace some aging fossil fuel plants???? But NO.... if the environmentalists have their way we'll be paying $20 a gallon for gas (GA will no longer exist) and we'll be reminiscing over some ripped and out of date sectionals by candlelight. |
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"kontiki" wrote in message
... [...] But NO.... if the environmentalists have their way we'll be paying $20 a gallon for gas (GA will no longer exist) and we'll be reminiscing over some ripped and out of date sectionals by candlelight. Not to worry. We'll never have to pay $20/gallon for gas. After all, don't you remember? As a self-professed expert posted right here, oil will never cost more than $60/barrel. According to that guy, we're nearly done -- forever -- with price increases for oil. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...40xmission.com |
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kontiki wrote:
Can we *puhleeeze* start developing our own oil in Alaska; off the coast of Calif. and the gulf now??? Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe that one of the areas that your country has repeatedly turned down is the states that contain shale oil. Up here in Northern Alberta (Canada) we have huge amounts of what is called tarsands where the oil is held in suspension in sand. This is similar to which you have in some of the lower 48 states It's black, oily, hard as rock and that's in the summertime. You ought to see the equipment, and technology needed to extract the oil especially in the middle of winter. When our government first allowed development years ago when the price of a barrel of oil was much lower it was very difficult with technology and costs at that time for the companies to make a profit. Now 30 years later, with new technology, and yes oil being worth much more per barrel the companies are able to make money with that process. There have been numerous politicians including governors from oil shale producing states that have come up to see for themselves how it works but to date I don't believe any State in the US is actually mining it in any way shape or form... correct me if I am wrong. Here in Northern Alberta we probably are supplying about 15 - 20 percent of our daily Canadian consumption and it is generally agreed that the reserves in oil are far greater than that of Saudi Arabia plus a few other smaller oil producing countries. There are lots of start up operations currently in the area testing the methadology, market, etc. but the two links below will take you to the two large companies that have been in existance now for many years. http://www.syncrude.com/ http://www.suncor.com/start.aspx |
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You are quite correct... thanks for the response. There are extensive
oil shale reserves over and above that liquid stuff we have in areas of Alaska and off the coasts. Nothing will be done however until we can eliminate the naysayers... those who continually raise the argument that "our reserves are not as big as Saudi Arabia's so why even bother?. Lets all just get used to conserving and doing without (except politicians of course) and someday [maybe] we'll have alternative forms..." Using that logic the vast majority of people can argue that they will never, ever have the vast monetary reserves that John Kerry or Oprah Winfrey have (to name a few) so why even bother to work hard and try to make more money??? Lets just all give up... plan to live simpler lives, go barefoot and ride bikes like other 3rd world countries and just shut up and vote for John Kerry and be happy about it. Well apparently thousands of illegal immigrants a day come here for a better life than they have in their country so I guess they haven't gotten the message yet. |
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"kontiki" wrote in message ... Up above $53/barrel now.... Can we *puhleeeze* start developing our own oil in Alaska; off the coast of Calif. and the gulf now??? Or should we just keep on doing what we are doing ... nothing... in total denial and keep paying out the anal cavity to other countries. In my opinion it is way past time to start developing our own oil here at home. Put Americans to work and help our own economy at the same time and reduce the trade deficit while we are at it. And why not start building a few more nuclear power plants to replace some aging fossil fuel plants???? But NO.... if the environmentalists have their way we'll be paying $20 a gallon for gas (GA will no longer exist) and we'll be reminiscing over some ripped and out of date sectionals by candlelight. We we could and it is a great idea to pay the $53/barrel to ourselves instead of others BUT the problem remains that all of the refineries just about everywhere are a 100% cap right now. We need to build more refineries and you can blame the lack of them on the Envirowacks. |
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kontiki writes:
Up above $53/barrel now.... Can we *puhleeeze* start developing our own oil in Alaska; off the coast of Calif. and the gulf now??? Or should we just keep on doing what we are doing ... nothing... in total denial and keep paying out the anal cavity to other countries. Sure. While we're at it, can we *puhleeeze* have a rational energy policy that includes conservation, like raising CAFE standards? How about encouraging solar energy panels for homes, especially in the Southwest (Calif-Nevada-Ariz-NM-Texas-Col) via tax incentives? How about dropping bogus political distractions like hydrogen for cars, which is simply another *form* of energy, *not* new energy? This country developed the atom bomb and sent men to the moon when it wanted to...if we elect politicians with real honesty and courage, we can *easily* do it again and become energy independent of the middle-east. |
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"Bob Fry" wrote in message
Sure. While we're at it, can we *puhleeeze* have a rational energy policy that includes conservation, like raising CAFE standards? I'm all for a rational energy policy, but how does imposing MPG standards on manufacturers achieve those goals? Why not let the market decide? As shown by the waiting list for the latest generation of hybrid cars, there is pent up demand for high mileage cars and the major manufacturers are responding to that demand. As a rule, the less government intervention, the better. How about encouraging solar energy panels for homes, especially in the Southwest (Calif-Nevada-Ariz-NM-Texas-Col) via tax incentives? How about just a flat Federal income tax? I local jurisdictions want to provide tax breaks, more power to them. How about dropping bogus political distractions like hydrogen for cars, which is simply another *form* of energy, *not* new energy? Um...what "new energy", for example? FWIW, I like the excitement about hydrogen. It may turn out to be completely infeasible, but at least it's getting people to think beyond the status quo. This country developed the atom bomb and sent men to the moon when it wanted to...if we elect politicians with real honesty and courage, we can *easily* do it again and become energy independent of the middle-east. Agreed. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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It does not really matte guys, with the Kyoto Protocol going into effect
soon, the world with have to dramatically cut down on production of harmful gases. Don't worry about the cost of gas it will be a null point when it is not needed to drive the us population to work everyday. You also have to think of the point of technology and the way the world works. Look at the Internal combustion engine and the incredible in-efficient way it burns fuel. We must ask ourselves why have we not come up with better technologies? Mr. Big oil doesn't like it. "John T" wrote in message news:1097205380.tfcDDVgHhsNXJeJEYLKL8g@bubbanews.. . "Bob Fry" wrote in message Sure. While we're at it, can we *puhleeeze* have a rational energy policy that includes conservation, like raising CAFE standards? I'm all for a rational energy policy, but how does imposing MPG standards on manufacturers achieve those goals? Why not let the market decide? As shown by the waiting list for the latest generation of hybrid cars, there is pent up demand for high mileage cars and the major manufacturers are responding to that demand. As a rule, the less government intervention, the better. How about encouraging solar energy panels for homes, especially in the Southwest (Calif-Nevada-Ariz-NM-Texas-Col) via tax incentives? How about just a flat Federal income tax? I local jurisdictions want to provide tax breaks, more power to them. How about dropping bogus political distractions like hydrogen for cars, which is simply another *form* of energy, *not* new energy? Um...what "new energy", for example? FWIW, I like the excitement about hydrogen. It may turn out to be completely infeasible, but at least it's getting people to think beyond the status quo. This country developed the atom bomb and sent men to the moon when it wanted to...if we elect politicians with real honesty and courage, we can *easily* do it again and become energy independent of the middle-east. Agreed. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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"John T" wrote in message news:1097205380.tfcDDVgHhsNXJeJEYLKL8g@bubbanews.. . "Bob Fry" wrote in message Sure. While we're at it, can we *puhleeeze* have a rational energy policy that includes conservation, like raising CAFE standards? I'm all for a rational energy policy, but how does imposing MPG standards on manufacturers achieve those goals? Why not let the market decide? As shown by the waiting list for the latest generation of hybrid cars, there is pent up demand for high mileage cars and the major manufacturers are responding to that demand. As a rule, the less government intervention, the better. How about encouraging solar energy panels for homes, especially in the Southwest (Calif-Nevada-Ariz-NM-Texas-Col) via tax incentives? How about just a flat Federal income tax? I local jurisdictions want to provide tax breaks, more power to them. How about dropping bogus political distractions like hydrogen for cars, which is simply another *form* of energy, *not* new energy? Um...what "new energy", for example? FWIW, I like the excitement about hydrogen. It may turn out to be completely infeasible, but at least it's getting people to think beyond the status quo. This country developed the atom bomb and sent men to the moon when it wanted to...if we elect politicians with real honesty and courage, we can *easily* do it again and become energy independent of the middle-east. Agreed. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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John T wrote:
"Bob Fry" wrote in message [snip] This country developed the atom bomb and sent men to the moon when it wanted to...if we elect politicians with real honesty and courage, we can *easily* do it again and become energy independent of the middle-east. Agreed. personally, I wish I could vote for Jed Bartlett.... |
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