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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message news That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't quite jibe with your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil War as the first point at which the US "ceased to be a free country"--which would only be possible if it had been a free country *until* then. I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which the US "ceased to be a free country". |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net... "Gary Drescher" wrote in message news That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't quite jibe with your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil War as the first point at which the US "ceased to be a free country"--which would only be possible if it had been a free country *until* then. I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which the US "ceased to be a free country". It was the first point you listed when you were asked to explain your remark that the US had "ceased to be a free country". When did the US cease to be a free country, in your opinion? --Gary |
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National Security Act of 1947.
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How about 9/12, when we couldn't fly and all had to start
wearing name badges with pictures? TFR that aren't temporary? Income tax even though the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified? Eminent domain as approved by the SCOUS to take your business or home because it is worth more tax money to the government if somebody else owns it for a while? Campaign finance reform that doesn't allow free speech 60 days before an election? Zero tolerance at school so your kid is suspended because he has a 1" solid plastic gun with the GI Joe doll? -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Gary Drescher" wrote in message . .. | "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message | k.net... | | "Gary Drescher" wrote in message | news | | That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't quite jibe with | your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil War as the first | point at which the US "ceased to be a free country"--which would only be | possible if it had been a free country *until* then. | | I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which the US "ceased to | be a free country". | | It was the first point you listed when you were asked to explain your remark | that the US had "ceased to be a free country". | | When did the US cease to be a free country, in your opinion? | | --Gary | | |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Civil war??? Yup. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a state from leaving a union that it freely joined. The southern states were forced to rejoin the union. Aside from the language prohibiting individual states from enterring into a confederation. Seceding first, and enterring into a confederation later is an intellectually dishonest shell game, not an action that is permissible under the Constitution. And the states that seceded absolutely were not seceding to preserve freedom. They seceded because the states that had already abolished slavery within their borders, or had never permitted it in the first place, had become united in their dedication to prohibit the expansion of slavery into the Western Territories. That made emancipation inevitable. The slave states saw the hand writing on the wall, turned tail and ran. -- FF |
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Jim Macklin wrote: How about 9/12, when we couldn't fly and all had to start wearing name badges with pictures? TFR that aren't temporary? Income tax even though the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified? You mean like the way the Bill of Rights was not properly ratified? Eminent domain as approved by the SCOUS to take your business or home because it is worth more tax money to the government if somebody else owns it for a while? Eminent domain has been (ab)used for that purpose since before the Constitution was adopted. I've been opposed to the practice since first becoming aware of in the early 1970s. But I am not so dishonest as to argue that it is unConstitutional, or something new. Indeed, I am astonished that a case disputed centuries old settled law got to the USSC It is pretty hard to see how an arugment can be made that a prohibiton of confiscation of property WITHOUT just compensation does not implicitly permit confiscation WITH just compensation. Campaign finance reform that doesn't allow free speech 60 days before an election? THAT is unconstitutional no matter what the Damn Republican- dominated Federal Courts say. "The Congress shall make no law" doesn' tleave much weasel room. -- FF |
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Traditional slavery would have ended when Briggs & Stratton
built their small engines. But, the sex slave trade goes on. Slavery is rampant in other parts of the world today, primarily Africa, Asia and the Middle East. The UN and the Muslim religion support slavery. Importation of slaves was illegal in the USA after 1807, but ownership was still legal. The South's economy was based on hand labor agriculture, cotton. A lot of white people fought and died to free the slaves. A lot of Southerners fought and died to preserve their life-style. Both were honorable. But slavery was still wrong and it ceased to be the same after 1865. But there was still economic "slavery" for many people working for low wages in company towns, buying food and clothes at the company store on credit. Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years ago. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. wrote in message ps.com... | | Steven P. McNicoll wrote: | "Matt Whiting" wrote in message | ... | | Civil war??? | | | Yup. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a state from | leaving a union that it freely joined. The southern states were forced to | rejoin the union. | | Aside from the language prohibiting individual states from enterring | into a confederation. | | Seceding first, and enterring into a confederation later is an | intellectually dishonest shell game, not an action that is | permissible under the Constitution. | | And the states that seceded absolutely were not seceding to | preserve freedom. They seceded because the states that had | already abolished slavery within their borders, or had never | permitted it in the first place, had become united in their | dedication to prohibit the expansion of slavery into the | Western Territories. That made emancipation inevitable. | The slave states saw the hand writing on the wall, | turned tail and ran. | | -- | | FF | |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in
news:UEpgg.26071$ZW3.17560@dukeread04: Snipola Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years ago. I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the past, yes, but get over it. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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I can't think of his name right now, but there is a black
reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book about how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he doesn't have to live in Africa. "Skywise" wrote in message ... | "Jim Macklin" wrote in | news:UEpgg.26071$ZW3.17560@dukeread04: | | Snipola | Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We | should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the | same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal | feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years | ago. | | I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of | the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the | descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? | Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the | past, yes, but get over it. | | Brian | -- | http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism | Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html | Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html | Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Doug" wrote in message ups.com... National Security Act of 1947. You're at least 15 years too late. More like 50-60 years |
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