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Ed,
Now, OTOH, when I was there, we tapped an KA-6 after T/O. The nose-gunner driving me around bragged later about his tanking ability--we took 1500 pounds to ease the cycle. Being a fighter guy, he would have taken more had Tanker Control let him. Having been - at times - the right-seat "gas passer" in the mighty K, I heard ALL airborne whines and snivels of fighter guys begging for more. I guess it's like being a whore or a traffic cop - in that position you hear 'em all. My stock answer (given when I was too bored or lazy to think of anything else) was the equivalent of "tell it to the judge" (Tanker Control). Everything else (i.e. mission) seemed to be secondary to coming aboard. I can't speak for the FITRON Ready Rooms, but in Attack there was always CEP, Bulls-Eye patches and Top Stick / Top Scope competitions. BTW, if you can't get aboard, then you can't prosecute the mission. If you can get aboard, you probably have the skills to do most anything. BTW, I did get to taste a bit of warm scotch in a paper cup while hunched in a cramped C-position on the edge of a lower bunk with six guys in a 8x5 foot stateroom without a window, beneath a cat and next to an ammo hoist. Nice life! Hey, they could've sent you to one of the JO bunkrooms. Imagine a fraternity house shoehorned into a phone booth and you'll get the idea. (I understand that - in today's female JO bunkrooms - it's even more cramped. "More stuff" is the reason I've heard. Women came aboard ship long after my time.) -- Mike Kanze "And why is radicalism so strong in California? Because the State is run by a dreadful combination of crooked politicians and grasping Babbitts." - H. L. Mencken (1924) "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... [rest snipped] |
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I can't speak for the FITRON Ready Rooms, but in Attack there was always
CEP, Bulls-Eye patches and Top Stick / Top Scope competitions. BTW, if you can't get aboard, then you can't prosecute the mission. If you can get aboard, you probably have the skills to do most anything. It's been my experience that with rare exceptions, most aviators have strong suites and weaknesses. I've known many guys who were consistent top ten yet a grape in ACM or a dullard in air-to-mud. Vice versa as well. Your observation that the on and off the boat skill is necessary to mission completion is spot on, but I've always thought it overemphasized. If an aviator has achieved basic competence in carrier landings, there's no real effort made to improve his remaining skills. (Put a string of no-grades on the board and you'll get personal attention from CO, LSO, CAG LSO ... not unreasonable ... but be a perennial loser elsewhere and you'll get the rep, but rarely remedial training). R / John |
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Ed,
A further thought concerning the emphasis placed upon the Greenie Board... Since the boat is a pretty tight place from which to operate aircraft, flight ops must be done efficiently and safely. Part of this need translates into maximizing the boarding rate. This is done in at least two ways: * Minimizing the interval between successive approaches. (During my 1973 cruise aboard CORAL MARU, we strived for a 15 second trap-to-trap interval.) * Maximizing the number of first-time arrestments. An air wing with a highly-efficient boarding rate enables the ship to stay within the Air Plan ("on-time" launch / land cycles more likely, greater margin within which to deal with inevitable problems, etc.) and maximize the number of sorties available. Crews that predictably contribute to high boarding rates are valued accordingly. Also, the boat is the only place where crews can really hone this particular skill. FCLPs are not - by themselves - adequate. Besides, time ashore is better spent on honing warfighting skills so that - when you do finally deploy - you do so ready to fight. -- Mike Kanze "The Project Uncertainty Principle says that if you understand a project, you won't know its cost, and vice versa." - Dilbert, August 6 2003 "Mike Kanze" wrote in message ... Ed, Now, OTOH, when I was there, we tapped an KA-6 after T/O. The nose-gunner driving me around bragged later about his tanking ability--we took 1500 pounds to ease the cycle. Being a fighter guy, he would have taken more had Tanker Control let him. Having been - at times - the right-seat "gas passer" in the mighty K, I heard ALL airborne whines and snivels of fighter guys begging for more. I guess it's like being a whore or a traffic cop - in that position you hear 'em all. My stock answer (given when I was too bored or lazy to think of anything else) was the equivalent of "tell it to the judge" (Tanker Control). Everything else (i.e. mission) seemed to be secondary to coming aboard. I can't speak for the FITRON Ready Rooms, but in Attack there was always CEP, Bulls-Eye patches and Top Stick / Top Scope competitions. BTW, if you can't get aboard, then you can't prosecute the mission. If you can get aboard, you probably have the skills to do most anything. BTW, I did get to taste a bit of warm scotch in a paper cup while hunched in a cramped C-position on the edge of a lower bunk with six guys in a 8x5 foot stateroom without a window, beneath a cat and next to an ammo hoist. Nice life! Hey, they could've sent you to one of the JO bunkrooms. Imagine a fraternity house shoehorned into a phone booth and you'll get the idea. (I understand that - in today's female JO bunkrooms - it's even more cramped. "More stuff" is the reason I've heard. Women came aboard ship long after my time.) -- Mike Kanze "And why is radicalism so strong in California? Because the State is run by a dreadful combination of crooked politicians and grasping Babbitts." - H. L. Mencken (1924) "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... [rest snipped] |
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Had an exchange tour with the USAF..IP in 61st TFS and 13th TFTS..late 70's.
Flew F-4D after the US Gov't gave all the MacDill -E models to Egypt. I was always impressed by the equipment, the JOs and my COs. Papy Fero and Mike Ryan(yep, the same). I became a great bomber, even in the trunk with radar nuke deliverys but the USAF F-4 boys couldn't fight the A/C to 'save their life'. I had my way with all of them including the Fighter Weapos School guys. BUT my biggest gripe was when the Wing Commander didn't like it when I didn't have my scarf on, or when I rolled up my sleeves too high or when I had my brown boots on. There were more O-6s in the wing administration than on an entire battle group. I loved the tour, great guys and great flying but you can have the BS way to administer the aviators. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Pechs
blurted out: Had an exchange tour with the USAF..IP in 61st TFS and 13th TFTS..late 70's. Flew F-4D after the US Gov't gave all the MacDill -E models to Egypt. BUT my biggest gripe was when the Wing Commander didn't like it when I didn't have my scarf on, or when I rolled up my sleeves too high or when I had my brown boots on. In 1987 stationed at Kunsan, a new arrival was an AF type whose previous tour was an exchange with VF-2 (I think) aboard the Ranger...Bob "Motown" Records. When Motown showed up TDY at MacDill for F-16 RTU (that'd be the RAG for my naval brethren) from his exchange tour, he walked into the squadron in the finest of naval traditions...wearing a polo shirt under his bag, "Motown" name tag, a ratty hat stuffed in a pocket somewhere, boots that had been run through the garbage disposal, sleeves up above his elbows, collar turned up...your basic, one each, manly man doing manly things in a manly manner. The Wing King just happened to be flying with that squadron that day. Wing King noticed Motown, and greeted him and asked if he was a Navy exchange pilot. "Yes sir." Wing King asked how long Motown had been in the Navy. "Oh I'm not in the Navy, I'm an AF pilot on an exchange tour WITH the Navy." [pause for effect...] At this point the WK turned to the Sqdn CO and just nodded...the Sqdn CO nodded. Motown got "squared away" ASAP. Motown enjoyed his cruise on the Ranger. In fact at one point one guy borrowed Motown's "100 Traps on the Ranger" patch and had 24 made up that said, "I've Heard 100 Ranger Stories" For some strange reason Motown stopped talking about the boat when we started wearing our patches. Motown also loved to call the squadron commander "skipper." The chorus in response was usually, "Gilligan!" or "What is it little buddy?" Juvat |
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Yup. If you want to put an airplane on a boat, you best call the
Navy. If you want to put ordnance on a target, you best call the Air Force. BRBR C'mon, you can do better than that. I liked the one 'the Navy makes moovies, the airfarce makes history.' Besides, I really like the ironed flight suits and those keen scarves.. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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