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Old February 4th 04, 10:07 AM
K.P. Termaat
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This happened trying to land back at the field after a cable break. Very sad
indeed.
www.fsv-unterjesingen.de/DnLoads/Seilriss.avi

Karel, NL


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Old February 4th 04, 10:37 AM
Mal
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Is the pilot alive.

Tail wind landing too slow and the combination of pulling the air brakes
into a spin looks like a Jantar 2 !

"K.P. Termaat" wrote in message
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This happened trying to land back at the field after a cable break. Very

sad
indeed.
www.fsv-unterjesingen.de/DnLoads/Seilriss.avi

Karel, NL




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Old February 4th 04, 10:54 AM
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wow, that is sobering.

Nick.


"Mal" wrote in message
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Is the pilot alive.

Tail wind landing too slow and the combination of pulling the air brakes
into a spin looks like a Jantar 2 !

"K.P. Termaat" wrote in message
...
This happened trying to land back at the field after a cable break. Very

sad
indeed.
www.fsv-unterjesingen.de/DnLoads/Seilriss.avi

Karel, NL






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Old February 4th 04, 11:40 AM
Mal
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Sure is.

Its National no Alcohol week

Nick where are the pictures from the SA Nationals ?

You seen the weekend pictures http://www.mals.net/camden/ DG1000

"Nick Gilbert" wrote in message
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wow, that is sobering.

Nick.


"Mal" wrote in message
...
Is the pilot alive.

Tail wind landing too slow and the combination of pulling the air brakes
into a spin looks like a Jantar 2 !

"K.P. Termaat" wrote in message
...
This happened trying to land back at the field after a cable break.

Very
sad
indeed.
www.fsv-unterjesingen.de/DnLoads/Seilriss.avi

Karel, NL








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Old February 4th 04, 02:44 PM
Bill Daniels
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"K.P. Termaat" wrote in message
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This happened trying to land back at the field after a cable break. Very

sad
indeed.
www.fsv-unterjesingen.de/DnLoads/Seilriss.avi

Karel, NL

Note that the departure occurred with the nose well below the horizon. It
appeared that the glider was stalled and sinking toward the ground for most
of the turn before the departure. Perhaps the pilot ignored airspeed
pre-stall warnings because the perceived priority was to get lined up with
the runway.

Question, was this low altitude turn-back necessary because there not enough
landable area into the wind?

One wonders if the maneuver would have been successful if the glider had
been accurately flown.

Bill Daniels

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Old February 4th 04, 04:58 PM
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My condolences to the family and friends. Very sad.

I write an instructor's column for our club's newsletter, and this month's
subject is about flying in windy conditions. The wind sock in the video
appears to indicate the windspeed was in excess of 15knots (assuming a
standard windsock). Before every flight, but especially in windy
conditions, an emergency plan needs to be considered! If you have a large
crosswind, a turn in the wrong direction after a rope break may blow you
helplessly too far away from the runway. If you have a strong headwind on
takeoff, a turn back to the runway may not even be an option! The resulting
tailwind landing may cause you to completely overfly the runway, or may
cause you to lose control during the landing rollout. Every situation is
different, but you need to make this decision before you close the canopy,
not at 300 feet.

Finally, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are
low-and-slow, "fly the glider!" An off-field landing under control is
always better than an on-field landing out of control. Aim for something
soft and cheap. Ignore your ego, kiss the glider good-bye, and save your
butt!

Chris Fleming



"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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Note that the departure occurred with the nose well below the horizon. It
appeared that the glider was stalled and sinking toward the ground for

most
of the turn before the departure. Perhaps the pilot ignored airspeed
pre-stall warnings because the perceived priority was to get lined up with
the runway.

Question, was this low altitude turn-back necessary because there not

enough
landable area into the wind?

One wonders if the maneuver would have been successful if the glider had
been accurately flown.

Bill Daniels



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Old February 4th 04, 05:32 PM
Bert Willing
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From what I heard on the German forum, there was no fatality involved in
this accident.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"C.Fleming" a écrit dans le message de
...
My condolences to the family and friends. Very sad.

I write an instructor's column for our club's newsletter, and this month's
subject is about flying in windy conditions. The wind sock in the video
appears to indicate the windspeed was in excess of 15knots (assuming a
standard windsock). Before every flight, but especially in windy
conditions, an emergency plan needs to be considered! If you have a large
crosswind, a turn in the wrong direction after a rope break may blow you
helplessly too far away from the runway. If you have a strong headwind on
takeoff, a turn back to the runway may not even be an option! The

resulting
tailwind landing may cause you to completely overfly the runway, or may
cause you to lose control during the landing rollout. Every situation is
different, but you need to make this decision before you close the canopy,
not at 300 feet.

Finally, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are
low-and-slow, "fly the glider!" An off-field landing under control is
always better than an on-field landing out of control. Aim for something
soft and cheap. Ignore your ego, kiss the glider good-bye, and save your
butt!

Chris Fleming



"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
...
Note that the departure occurred with the nose well below the horizon.

It
appeared that the glider was stalled and sinking toward the ground for

most
of the turn before the departure. Perhaps the pilot ignored airspeed
pre-stall warnings because the perceived priority was to get lined up

with
the runway.

Question, was this low altitude turn-back necessary because there not

enough
landable area into the wind?

One wonders if the maneuver would have been successful if the glider had
been accurately flown.

Bill Daniels





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Old February 4th 04, 05:34 PM
Marcel Duenner
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"Mal" wrote in message ...
Is the pilot alive.


Yes. Only minor injuries.


Tail wind landing too slow and the combination of pulling the air brakes
into a spin looks like a Jantar 2 !


No, it's a DG500
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Old February 4th 04, 05:38 PM
C.Fleming
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That's great news!


"Bert Willing" wrote in
message ...
From what I heard on the German forum, there was no fatality involved in
this accident.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"C.Fleming" a écrit dans le message de
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My condolences to the family and friends. Very sad.

Chris Fleming




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Old February 4th 04, 06:09 PM
Shawn Curry
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Bert Willing wrote:
From what I heard on the German forum, there was no fatality involved in
this accident.


Good to hear he's OK. I've only been able to play the audio of this
clip and it didn't sound good. Anyone else w/similar problems? I'm
loading a Quicktime update to see if that helps. Newest winblows media
playa gags on it totally.

Shawn
 




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