pilots refuse to fly with gun loons onboard

Ok, like they think a terrorist is to dumb to become an air marshal or
better yet what happens if your at 30,000' and a terrorist is on the plane
and the air marshal is an officer that trained to empty his magazine or else
be repromanded like most law enforcement officials are or the marshal is
subdued by the terrorist that came aboard the airplane with out any weapons
but his hands? Humm False Sense Of Security idd say. I know i were PIC
carrying passengers idd not let anyone aboard with a firearm especially law
enforcement that are not trained properly how to use fire arms especially
aiming them.





"nick" wrote in message
...
"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said: "Our advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm

"MRQB" wrote in message news:yFrIb.493

.....the air marshal is an officer that trained to empty his magazine or
else
be repromanded like most law enforcement officials are

.....idd not let anyone aboard with a firearm especially law
enforcement that are not trained properly how to use fire arms especially
aiming them.

The depth and breadth of your ignorance is truly stunning.

you deserve to be isolated from the civilized world as long as you thing
and speak like that.

we have a freedom of speech that tends to prevent that from happening.
thank God.

Americans seem to have no concept of what it is like to live in a
largely gun free society. They view safety as having a gun, and hoping
that if it comes to the worst they will be able to shoot the other guy
before they get shot. In Australia, you don't have a gun and go around
pretty confident that no-one will get shot at all.

Our second amendment is there not for the personal protection (thats a by
product), but specifically to keep our government from growing so corrupt
that the people can't defend themselves against it. Our founding fathers
were revolutionaries. And the last thing they wanted was another tyrannical
government out of control running their lives. But coming from a
quasi-socialistic society with a 96% tax bracket, I wouldn't expect the
Brit's to understand.

"MRQB" wrote in message
...
Ok, like they think a terrorist is to dumb to become an air marshal or
better yet what happens if your at 30,000' and a terrorist is on the plane
and the air marshal is an officer that trained to empty his magazine or
else
be repromanded like most law enforcement officials are or the marshal is
subdued by the terrorist that came aboard the airplane with out any
weapons
but his hands? Humm False Sense Of Security idd say. I know i were PIC
carrying passengers idd not let anyone aboard with a firearm especially
law
enforcement that are not trained properly how to use fire arms especially
aiming them.



The air marshalls spend many hours training how to handle situations inside
a passenger aircraft. They are extremely good shots.

-*MORT*-

"Mongo Jones" wrote in message
s.com...
In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

What's the name of your terrorist group?


Webzpider

" I found alligator a bit chewy, but not bad."
-*MORT*-

"Thomas Heide" wrote in message
...
I can´t believe what I just read.
Didn´t you Americans learn anything from recent history (some
school-events
just popped into my mind)?
It just does not work to make even more people carry guns in order to
protect them from potential terrorists.
What kind of logic is that?

Logic that works. The school tragedies wre at DISARMED schools. Many if
not most of the episodes were brought to a halt by ARMED CIVILIANS who got
their own guns from cars, homes, etc... This is also true of a Texas fast
food episode where a woman lost her father because, true to pussy Brit/Euro
numbnuts pansieism, she reluctanctly left her legal gun in her car. Had she
had it about her person, perhaps only 1 or 2 victims might have been scored
until she could have defeated the miscreant. Remember, Britain is now
jailing anyone who defends themselves. See overlawyered.com, find the
professional burglar suing the homeowner for injuries which "keep him from
plying his trade". Now, if even one of four teachers/janitors/staff had gun
training, and the will to use one, then the multiple murders would stop.
Note that the Columbine shooters surrendered to late arriving guns, not to
pleas or wishful thinking.
EGB

Obviously the one without security is far more vulnerable.

This is not obvious to me. The one without security will have passengers who
carry almanacs, ball point pens, letherman tools packaged in transparant
neutronium, nail clippers, Swiss army knives, steak knives, pottery, tool kits
(including hammers and screwdrivers), odd shaped metal things nobody can
identify except for the price tag, and maybe even the odd firearm or two (with
bullets). Any terrorist who tries anything will have to face all that in the
hands of an angry mob. Given that terrorists haven't done well lately with
even unarmed passengers, I'd say they haven't a chance.

The one with security will have a bunch of unarmed passengers eating squeeze
food with plastic utensils, who are used to being told what to do and when to
do it, and expect somebody else to dispense security for them. The terrorist
of course will be fully armed, because he (or she) knows how to get stuff on an
airplane. Granted an unarmed angry mob is nothing to sneeze at, but if I were
the terrorist, this is still the plane I'd pick to be on.


However, you seem to be equating pax-with-guns with security, with no
evidence to back you up. Last week someone posted the "Archie Bunker
security plan" (give every pax a handgun) which made the same error...


You state it's an error, with no evidence to back you up.

I'm not advocating giving everyone a machine gun. But I am advocating letting
them keep their ballpoint pens, almanacs, Swiss Army knives, and leathermen.

Jose


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"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick
says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly
into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?

It's no wonder America holds so much of the world in contempt.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:17:41 -0600, Jeff Franks wrote:

Our second amendment is there not for the personal protection (thats a by
product), but specifically to keep our government from growing so corrupt
that the people can't defend themselves against it.

it seems the time is coming closer to use them (?)

Our founding fathers
were revolutionaries. And the last thing they wanted was another tyrannical
government out of control running their lives. But coming from a
quasi-socialistic society with a 96% tax bracket, I wouldn't expect the
Brit's to understand.

96% tax bracket? where? and sources, please.

#m
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harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.