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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
The other day I was doing multiple approaches under the hood. I needed
an extra minute or two to setup for the next approach and requested a "5 mile turn." From my understanding, this means that while on downwind to not turn me until 5 miles from the FAF. The controller didn't understand. I thought maybe he didn't hear me clearly so I repeated a "requesting a 5 mile turn." He said, "I don't know what that is." I then said, "let me try this, how about delay vectors." That did the trick. I thought a "X mile turn" is standard terminology. Is it not? Gerald Sylvester |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
I thought maybe he didn't hear me clearly so I repeated a "requesting a 5 mile turn." He said, "I don't know what that is."
Why not tell him? "Could you vector me to final five miles out?" Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
I don't fly very often, but I remember "five mile turn" being relevant to
holding patterns. Rather than timing the legs of a hold you request the hold legs be distance-based. I've not heard of the term used as you were trying to use it, but that's why I read this NG. -- Scott |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
"Gerald S." wrote in message t... The other day I was doing multiple approaches under the hood. I needed an extra minute or two to setup for the next approach and requested a "5 mile turn." From my understanding, this means that while on downwind to not turn me until 5 miles from the FAF. The controller didn't understand. I thought maybe he didn't hear me clearly so I repeated a "requesting a 5 mile turn." He said, "I don't know what that is." I then said, "let me try this, how about delay vectors." That did the trick. I thought a "X mile turn" is standard terminology. Is it not? Not. |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
"tscottme" wrote in message . .. I don't fly very often, but I remember "five mile turn" being relevant to holding patterns. Rather than timing the legs of a hold you request the hold legs be distance-based. I've not heard of the term used as you were trying to use it, but that's why I read this NG. That would be five mile legs. |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
Can you find it in the Pilot/Controller Glossary?
Bob Gardner SAY AGAIN, PLEASE "Gerald S." wrote in message t... The other day I was doing multiple approaches under the hood. I needed an extra minute or two to setup for the next approach and requested a "5 mile turn." From my understanding, this means that while on downwind to not turn me until 5 miles from the FAF. The controller didn't understand. I thought maybe he didn't hear me clearly so I repeated a "requesting a 5 mile turn." He said, "I don't know what that is." I then said, "let me try this, how about delay vectors." That did the trick. I thought a "X mile turn" is standard terminology. Is it not? Gerald Sylvester |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
On 05/12/07 15:38, Bob Gardner wrote:
Can you find it in the Pilot/Controller Glossary? Can you find Delay Vectors in there? ;-) Bob Gardner SAY AGAIN, PLEASE -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
Good point, and I don't have a pat answer. I do know that controllers react
appropriately to a request for delay vectors, however. Bob Gardner "Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... On 05/12/07 15:38, Bob Gardner wrote: Can you find it in the Pilot/Controller Glossary? Can you find Delay Vectors in there? ;-) Bob Gardner SAY AGAIN, PLEASE -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
On May 13, 4:16 pm, "Bob Gardner" wrote:
Good point, and I don't have a pat answer. I do know that controllers react appropriately to a request for delay vectors, however. Bob Gardner "Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... On 05/12/07 15:38, Bob Gardner wrote: Can you find it in the Pilot/Controller Glossary? Can you find Delay Vectors in there? ;-) Bob Gardner SAY AGAIN, PLEASE -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And occasionally you'll need to speak plain language when standard phraseology doesn't work. "Vector" is standard phraseology, but the words "Request" and "Delay" don't stand on their own in the P/CG. I agree with Jose, just ask him in English what you want. |
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Terminology Ques: 5 mile turn vs. delay vectors
On May 12, 5:29 pm, "Gerald S." wrote:
The other day I was doing multiple approaches under the hood. I needed an extra minute or two to setup for the next approach and requested a "5 mile turn." From my understanding, this means that while on downwind to not turn me until 5 miles from the FAF. The controller didn't understand. I thought maybe he didn't hear me clearly so I repeated a "requesting a 5 mile turn." He said, "I don't know what that is." I then said, "let me try this, how about delay vectors." That did the trick. I thought a "X mile turn" is standard terminology. Is it not? Gerald Sylvester I'm a CFII, and I've never heard it phrased that way. Could be a local thing. My request would sound something like: "Blahba Approach, Skyhawk 123YZ requesting ILS 36 approach Hooterville; requesting vectors for a 5 mile intercept prior to FAF (the name of the Final Approach fix)" |
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