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But the most fuel weight (regardless of configuration) was 5.1 for an empty
tank 7, 5.8 with it full. No fun was night recovery with 2x2 ordnance and 1/2 flaps (util failure or in my case, a flap switch failure). 1.8 on the ball for an actual weight pass with about 40 knots of wind. R / John "Pechs1" wrote in message ... robvr- Almost makes sense, mainly because I never flew anything myself, let alone a Navy jet. Would 2 and 2 mean 2 Sparrow, 2 Sidewinder? What do max trap values mean? BRBR Max trap for the F-4 was 40,000 pounds. Empty F-4S weighed about 34k, F-4J was 33000 or so. 2 and 2 weighed about 1500 lbs. Only 6000 to play with to get to 40k. If ya added a 2000 lb gun pod(2000 or 1000??), then max trap fuel was kinda low. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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John- But the most fuel weight (regardless of configuration) was 5.1 for an
empty tank 7, 5.8 with it full. No fun was night recovery with 2x2 ordnance and 1/2 flaps (util failure or in my case, a flap switch failure). 1.8 on the ball for an actual weight pass with about 40 knots of wind. BRBR Yowser-with or w/o ail droop? Blue water, I assume? If ya went around, into the barricade? Could they get enough WOD for that(115kt max engaging speed(?)). I saw a 1/2 flap, really damaged F-4 go thru the net like it wasn't there. Exceeded the max engaging speed by a lot..BUT it slowed it down enough so the jet wasn't flying. Both guys shelled out, neither made it. VF-102, USS Independence, 1977 or so. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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The SUU23 gun pod was what we had at Homestead in the 307th and 68th
and at DaNang in the 390th - it held 1100 rounds of 20mm linkless ammo (about 1.1 pounds per round). If it was regularly boresighted (simple, using the borescope and the X on the nose gear door) it shot through the pipper. The 8x10 mil pattern was only 8 feet by 10 feet at 1000 feet so if any MiG was under the pipper he was toast. I never even got to see a MiG but onst I fired 300 rounds (having fun - started shooting at 4000 feet slant range) in one pass at Avon Park range and got 100 hits. It also killed a T54 for me. I'd call that effective. Walt BJ |
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Yowser-with or w/o ail droop?
Blue water, I assume? If ya went around, into the barricade? Could they get enough WOD for that(115kt max engaging speed(?)). Next to last East Coast F-4 cruise with 102/Independence ... 153xxx F-4J with drooped ailerons. Somewhere in the Arabian sea, night. Dirtied up and noticed the airspeed was around 165 or so vice the 143-5 that a normal airplane would see at full flaps. Gauge indicated full, cycled them through 1/2 ... no change in speed or aircraft response. Cycled them up and back to full ... still 165. Sooo. We told CATCC that we wanted a low pass and speed check with SPN-42.' They confirmed our speed. Cleaned up tanked a bit ... twice I think as the galley slaves responded to the increased tempo drumbeat. About a 1/2 hour later they were ready. Wanted us around 2.0 or thereabouts and ran the weights. Flies a nice pass at 1/2 flaps, honored the stronger burble ... but not much ... and grabbed the 1 on the fly. A bingo wasn't totally out of the question, but Misira (sp?) wasn't a desirable action (diplomatic issues back then) and D-Gar was a long LONG way away. R / John |
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"John Carrier" wrote:
... and grabbed the 1 on the fly. Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ? ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"John S. Shinal" wrote in message ... "John Carrier" wrote: ... and grabbed the 1 on the fly. Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ? Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down tailhook first. R / John |
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... and grabbed the 1 on the fly.
Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ? Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down tailhook first. All I know is what I read in books, but I seem to recall that the opposite of catching a one wire "on the fly" is a "taxi one wire," which suggests a low and/or flat approach. But I'll defer to those who have BTDT. |
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"Mike Kanze" wrote in message ...
John, The USN may have had additional issues due to the gun getting banged about during traps. Not just traps. Aircraft handling - particularly on a crowded hangar deck - is not conducive to the health and longevity of protruding "attachments." The EA-6B folks - with jamming pods that cost (circa 1972) $1 million a pop - learned early on that "sailors and pods don't mix." .... or 'sailors and props' having on more than one instance had major dings put in my props while the plane was buried on the hangar deck. Severity of damage/inability to repair was directly proportional to proximity of fly-off too... Will Dossel Last of the Steeljaws (VAW-122) |
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"John Carrier" wrote:
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down tailhook first. Oh hell - sorry. I wasn't casting aspersions on your skill at the ramp, I thought you were alluding to something I heard of as an "airborne engagement". It's supposed to be a murderous thump. I don't know quite enough about the geometry over the wire to make any other conclusions. I just didn't know what "caught it on the fly" meant. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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No offense taken.
John "John S. Shinal" wrote in message ... "John Carrier" wrote: Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down tailhook first. Oh hell - sorry. I wasn't casting aspersions on your skill at the ramp, I thought you were alluding to something I heard of as an "airborne engagement". It's supposed to be a murderous thump. I don't know quite enough about the geometry over the wire to make any other conclusions. I just didn't know what "caught it on the fly" meant. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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