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Instructor Effectiveness
On 2008-09-13, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Most students want their instructors to be thorough, concise, knowledgeable, friendly, and above all, professional at all times. Indeed. Part of that is that the student should feel that the instructor is competent to keep him out of trouble even if he screws up pretty badly, and losing your cool is a good way to destroy that confidence. As I begin my studies toward the CFI-SP rating, I do plan to keep that in mind. Sorry, but whoever it is that says that cussing at a student is effective does not have me as an adherent. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC |
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Instructor Effectiveness
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:01:09 -0700 (PDT), Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
Lots of factors to consider that impact instructor effectiveness.and student learning. The best instructors tailor their temperament to the student and the situation. |
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Instructor Effectiveness
On Sep 12, 5:17*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I agree, and I would counter that you don't have to shout or curse at a student to gain that respect. In fact, with most students, that is EXACTLY the fastest way to LOSE that respect. Exactly. If the CFI knows what he's doing he would be in control of the situation well enough to not need to shout and curse. -Robert |
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Instructor Effectiveness
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:17 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: I agree, and I would counter that you don't have to shout or curse at a student to gain that respect. In fact, with most students, that is EXACTLY the fastest way to LOSE that respect. Exactly. If the CFI knows what he's doing he would be in control of the situation well enough to not need to shout and curse. -Robert Many, (all too many in fact) instructors make the HUGE mistake of projecting right from the beginning, the exact opposite of what they should be projecting to a new student. Through their actions, their verbal expression, and their general attitude, they convey to a student how well THEY can fly the airplane and how much THEY know about flying. This attitude in many cases shows up in the cockpit as an aura of "I'M in command here. If you do EXACTLY as I say, I'll allow you to learn from me. If not, you can bet your ass you'll hear about it!!!" The exact opposite is the "aura" the instructor should be projecting to a student. You don't have to constantly make the student aware of how superior YOU are. They already assume that or they wouldn't have gotten in the airplane with you. What's needed is the creation of a calm but professional projection to the student that is designed from the very beginning to allow the student to mentally project that flying the airplane is within THEIR reach, and that YOU as the instructor, are there to help them reach that goal. Instructors need to spend more time building confidence in students instead of raising their voices at them. ANY raising of an instructor's voice instills fear and apprehension in a student. It conveys to them that something is VERY wrong, either with the aircraft, or with something they are doing with the aircraft.It's very bad policy and detracts from the value of the lesson. I've started every primary student who has climbed into an airplane with me with the same approach. In a calm quiet voice I explain to them as we walk out to the airplane that flying is not all that hard. I'll be letting them take the controls from the very beginning and that they are NOT to worry because no matter what they do I won't allow them to hurt either us or the airplane. Once an instructor reaches the point with a student where they feel relaxed and safe, confidence begins to build and real learning becomes possible. All shouting and cursing at a student does is delay that necessary point from happening. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Instructor Effectiveness
"Robert M. Gary" wrote
On Sep 12, 5:17*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: I agree, and I would counter that you don't have to shout or curse at a student to gain that respect. In fact, with most students, that is EXACTLY the fastest way to LOSE that respect. Exactly. If the CFI knows what he's doing he would be in control of the situation well enough to not need to shout and curse. I suspect that Rocky and I would make great friends as I and probably most of his students understand where he is coming from...an ex-Marine D.I. His students have most likely been exposed to the DI act somewhere in their officer training as I was. As we did, they probably gather over a beer in the evening and brag about who was able to rankle Rocky the most. My old Pre-Flight DI wasn't near as tough as he thought he was. Navy regs prohibited him from swearing at the future officers. This effectively destroyed much of the DI act. And....as far as the fight scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" between the cadet and the DI....could not have possibly happened. However Rocky....It appears as if you have been severely out voted on the language issue. Bob Moore |
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Instructor Effectiveness
Hi,
In article , Ol Shy & wrote: Who did you learn the most from and what was the drill? I think it's very dependant on the type of personality you are. I learned at a Flying Club where all the instructors were basically volunteers. As a result, throughout my training I had something like 7 or 8 instructors, all with differing style. Personally, I found that I learned more from the instructors that let me make my mistakes, and allowed me to realise I'd made them and have to learn from them myself. I had one instructor that took me on my first Nav flight. Every time I got 1 degree off course, or 100 feet off altitude, or 1 knot off airspeed, she would point it out to me and force me to correct it instantly. To my mind, I learned little from that, because there wouldn't be someone doing the same in the cockpit once I'd qualified. Another instructor (who I completed my training and I found incredibly beneficial) would let me make the mistakes. One I remember in particular was rejoining the circuit at my home base (military field). I made the call to enter the zone, then called joining Right Base, and was asked to report final. In the UK, the military 'final' is a curving turn that starts at around the same point as the base leg would start on a standard rectangular circuit. I got all the way down to about 300 feet before the lady on ATC called "G-ABCD, you *are* now cleared to land, try not to forget to report final in future" I looked over to my instructor and she was grinning away, she said: "I was wondering when you were going to notice!" I definitely didn't forget again! I think what I'm trying to say, is that different people will require a different style of intruction. The mark of a *good* instructor is recognising the style the student needs, and tailoring their instruction accordingly. Andy |
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On Sep 13, 11:58*am, Robert Moore wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" *wrote On Sep 12, 5:17*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: I agree, and I would counter that you don't have to shout or curse at a student to gain that respect. In fact, with most students, that is EXACTLY the fastest way to LOSE that respect. Exactly. If the CFI knows what he's doing he would be in control of the situation well enough to not need to shout and curse. I suspect that Rocky and I would make great friends as I and probably most of his students understand where he is coming from...an ex-Marine D.I. His students have most likely been exposed to the DI act somewhere in their officer training as I was. *As we did, they probably gather over a beer in the evening and brag about who was able to rankle Rocky the most. My old Pre-Flight DI wasn't near as tough as he thought he was. Navy regs prohibited him from swearing at the future officers. This effectively destroyed much of the DI act. *And....as far as the fight scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" between the cadet and the DI....could not have possibly happened. However Rocky....It appears as if you have been severely out voted on the language issue. * * Bob Moore Bob Yeh it would appear that way. I query students about it from time to time to see if it is hurting effectivness and for the most part they are positive towards my techniques. But, and this is the really odd part, other CFI's try it and get slammed hard in critiques! From time to time I'll not use even a hint of profanity and rely on well educated use of the english language. Doesn't seem to work nearly as well for me. I have been, and always will be I suppose, very cognizant of profanity with female students until they outswear me. I really do try to keep it from getting overboard. I recall a helicopter instructor of mine back in the 60's who could not speak a simple sentence without profanity. I discovered I was counting his curse words rather than getting benefit of instruction. This was after I had 4-5000 hours so it wasn't as if I was a rank new guy. When I talked to him about it, he reply was "No ****?" GGGGG I'm glad to see this post has generated so much discussion. Most of the time I try to create a subject line that will draw out the pros for everyones benefit. Best Professional Regards to you all Rocky |
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On Sep 13, 8:55*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The exact opposite is the "aura" the instructor should be projecting to a student. You don't have to constantly make the student aware of how superior YOU are. They already assume that or they wouldn't have gotten in the airplane with you. Its funny but people just assume you must he a "super pilot" if you are a CFI. I guess to the student pilot a CFI seems like Yeager. I can say that I've never felt like a student needed me to "prove" my flying ability. I can see how some CFIs could get a big head because of all this. However, all it takes is to sit in the left seat with good CFI to break you back down. This is also where decision making starts. Because a student usually looks up to his first CFI he will tend to emmulate your decision making. The CFI who likes to buzz farm houses will have a student who thinks that once he's a good pilot he should start buzzing farm houses. I just can't say enough about the importance of being professional. If you act like a true professional in the cockpit you will have students who believe that they need to be professional in the cockpit. -Robert |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 13, 8:55 am, Dudley Henriques wrote: The exact opposite is the "aura" the instructor should be projecting to a student. You don't have to constantly make the student aware of how superior YOU are. They already assume that or they wouldn't have gotten in the airplane with you. Its funny but people just assume you must he a "super pilot" if you are a CFI. I guess to the student pilot a CFI seems like Yeager. I can say that I've never felt like a student needed me to "prove" my flying ability. I can see how some CFIs could get a big head because of all this. However, all it takes is to sit in the left seat with good CFI to break you back down. This is also where decision making starts. Because a student usually looks up to his first CFI he will tend to emmulate your decision making. The CFI who likes to buzz farm houses will have a student who thinks that once he's a good pilot he should start buzzing farm houses. I just can't say enough about the importance of being professional. If you act like a true professional in the cockpit you will have students who believe that they need to be professional in the cockpit. -Robert Exactly correct. I think I learned more about flying by teaching people to fly than I could ever have learned in any other venue in aviation. It's absolutely amazing how much you learn while finding different ways to teach a student pilot. The more you search for the "right way" to present something, the more you learn about that "something" yourself :-)) You're right about a student's first CFI. The initial hours spent before solo are among the most important a pilot will ever spend in an airplane. The habit patterns formed during this initial exposure to an instructor can very well follow a pilot throughout their entire tenure in aviation. After a lifetime in aviation, I'm STILL learning!!! -- Dudley Henriques |
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Instructor Effectiveness
Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
What has been most effective for you? I like the "ruler across the knuckles" approach. If you don't have a ruler handy, a kneeboard across the back of the head works just as good. :-) |
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