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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:12:23 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: Committed by a very few on the fringes. If the atheists and philosophers did any research at all, they would know this. If every person in the world who professes a religious belief or affiliation was a wanton killer as you suggest, the world would have long ago ceased to be inhabited by humans. Since the majority of the population claim some religious belief, if each person killed even one other person, there'd be nobody left in less than a year. Matt Hitler was only one person. He was responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. It's not the number of people who commit the atrocities that's significant, it's the number who die. Millions upon millions have died thanks to religious beliefs, in barbaric fashion for the most part. And it's happening today. But hose with their heads buried in the religious sands (or in anatomical locations where the sun don't shine) just never see it. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:15:31 -0500, " jls"
wrote: Yet,no matter what religion or denomination you belong to, in all likelihood it has engaged in persecution, violence, and religious intolerance. And that's the reason why the Founders wanted religion (knowing its gory history) out of government and government out of religion. ********* Amen to that, brother. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:20 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: Not at all. I just don't understand cowards. Never have and probably never will. I guess though that if I was weak in my convictions and had low self-esteem, I'd hide as well. Matt Now here we actually get into a perfect microcosm of religion. Your belief system says that everyone who posts here should post under his real name (or a name that LOOKS like a real name,at least, since I am sure you have not verified that every name used here is actually a given name of the poster).. My belief system, on the other hand, says that it don't make a whit's difference what the poster's name is, but the idea expressed is what is important, agree with it or not. The difference between my belief system and yours is this: I couldn't care less what name you use. Use Matt Whiting or Whistlindixie, it don't make a whit's difference to me. Your preference and beliefs are yours, do what you will. It's no skin off my nose. Your belief about posting, however, requires that I behave as you do and think the way you do, otherwise you are compelled to attempt to intimidate and insult me by calling me a coward, weak in my convictions, and having low self esteem, even though you know nothing of me other than what you know through half a dozen postings. And that gets to the nub of religion. The religious are usually so unsure of their positions, and unable to offer any evidence of their convictions, that they must have the agreement of others to validate their beliefs. If they cannot get it any other way, they begin to use whatever force they can use to compel others to behave as they do. And suddenly they are on that slippery slope of religious bigotry and intolerance, exactly the same kind of bigotry and intolerance you are showing for my free choice of using whatever name I wish to post with, by using name-calling and insults, the only real forms of intimidation available to you here, to validate your belief. So thanks for the help in proving my point. |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:42:24 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: mike regish wrote: It would if we didn't have religion indoctrinating hatred and bigotry from day 1. Nice excuse, but lacks creativity. I'll give it a D+. There are cultures that have virtually no organized religion, but engage in things such as cannibalism. Is that one of the moral values that evolution produces? Matt And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6 million human beings. Is that one of the moral values that religion produces? |
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AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics
and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Didn't Stalin kill over 10 million people for holding views that were contrary to his? Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:55:10 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Didn't Stalin kill over 10 million people for holding views that were contrary to his? Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. Well, murder is not the ONLY religious trait, anyway. But there has been enough religious carnage throughout history that it might be reasonably called a trait. Could we call it a feature of the institution, perhaps? A hallmark? |
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And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6 million human beings. Is that one of the moral values that religion produces? Actually, it was closer to 11 million. The 6M number refers to a single religious group. There were other "undesireable" groups that were "removed" in the interest of Purity. |
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On 23 Nov 2004 06:22:50 -0700, Blanche
wrote: wrote: And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6 million human beings. Is that one of the moral values that religion produces? Actually, it was closer to 11 million. The 6M number refers to a single religious group. There were other "undesireable" groups that were "removed" in the interest of Purity. Well, look who's here. Killfile not working? |
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