"Vanishing American Air Superiority"

Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.

No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.

He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.



I thought those were still most secret. I sure hope no one mentions
the av gas and diesel fountains in every shire.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Mar 19, 8:22*am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:45*pm, Chris wrote:

On Mar 18, 10:05*pm, Alexander wrote:
...

As I already noted in another post, please don't base your ideas for
what the Germans could do based on the successes of the Japanese Navy.
The Japanese Navy was so much better than the Luftwaffe at sinking
ships that the comparison is ludicrous.
...
Chris Manteuffel

Pearl Harbor was an unexpected attack on close-packed stationary
ships, inspired by the British success at Taranto. The Japanese
weren't that good at bombing defended shipping at sea, Guadalcanal for
example. One can assume that Spitfires would be at least as effective
as Wildcats at protecting the ships.

Ask the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse how good the Japanese
were at bombing ships in the open sea.

The answer, of course, is "far better than anyone expected, based on extensive
experience against the Luftwaffe and the Regia Aeronautica"...

And the Luftwaffe in 1940 was much, much less effective against shipping than
the specialist anti-ship units in the Med' in '41 on which that assessment had
been based. As witness their unimpressive performance during DYNAMO.

--
Andy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth

"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

Keith Willshaw wrote:


"Alexander" wrote in message
...
Keith Willshaw wrote:


"Alexander" wrote in message
...
William Black wrote:

"Alexander" wrote in message
...

A determined Germany would have eaten England alive, but for massive
war materials and massive military direct aid.

Well, assuming they could get there, which they couldn't...

Are you really daft enough to believe that would always be?
That is a very short Channel.

Actually its about 300 miles long. At its narrowest its only about 22
miles
wide but that has its own problems.

The topography at its narrowest point is rather unfriendly to the
invader.
Landing on the beach between Folkestone and Deal leaves you at the
foot of precipitous cliffs riddled with tunnels and batteries of guns.

Think Omaha beach x 10

If you head NE to the beaches around Deal , Sandwich and Ramsgate
you greatly increase the length of the sea crossing. Not a good idea
when
your barges can only do 4 knots especially given that the tidal race in
those parts can run at 2-4 knots. Of course there is the little
matter that
it brings you closer to the RN ships at Harwich, Ramsgate and Chatham

That leaves you landing on the beach between Folkestone and Rye.

This is an area the British Army had been planning to defend since
the Napoleonic wars. Apart from the fixed defenses there were gun
batteries placed back from the coast with pre-surveyed fields of fire.

There were five fully equipped infantry divisions covering this area
with another 5 and an armoured division held in reserve. The Germans
would have little or no armour or heavy guns but would be equipped
with infantry weapons and a few mountain guns and mortars. Pity
the poor soldier of the Heer short of food and ammunition trying
to cross the royal military canal under fire from 7.2" and 25 pounder
artillery into the teeth of the machine gun fire from the concrete
pillboxes
on the other side.

The purpose of the home guard was NOT so much to fight the German Army
as to release regular troops from routine security tasks.


paranoid racist diatribe deleted

Keith

Lots of Concrete Liberty ships would do the job just fine.

List of concrete liberty ships built worldwide

Are you daft? They were coming off the slipways every 3 to 4 days in
America. Had a drop in diesel Engine..and went asailing for the British
Isles.


Start of List
End of List

The point is really that the UK should learn from its past massive
mistakes and never get in this fix again.

That was achieved in 1945 with the dismantling of the detestable Nazi
regime.

Keith

There would never have been a detestable Nazi regime without murderous
Bolsheviks and Imperialistic Brits. Of course The Brits love the many
Communists they have harbored within their Government.

Dan wrote:
Alexander wrote:
Dan wrote:
Alexander wrote:
snip


Face it.. You people started 2 wars against
Germany, which if we had not interfered would have kicked your asses
bloody. For Christs sake, learn your lesson and don't start any more
damned wars. Same goes for us.


Read a history book. Germany invaded her neighbours unprovoked at
the start of both world wars.

Bull****. Provocation was there and it would have ended very quietly,
except for the English perfidy. Damned limeys were forever tinkering
in the business of others.

The "limeys" didn't invade Poland, Russia and France in WW2 nor did
they invade Russia or France in WW1. There might have been a lot of
bluster all around prior to both wars, but Germany started shooting first.

So you think its wrong to shoot the SOB that threatens your security?
Ding dong! Ding Dong!

No one in America wanted any part of that war.

Not true.

The Idiot Wilson decided he needed some imperialism to beat Teddy
Roosevelt in the upcoming 1917 election.

So, Zimmeran's telegram and the ongoing sinking of commerce had no
influence on Wilson's request for a declaration of war? Under the
Constitution only Congress can issue a declaration of war.

Even Teddy thought it was a
stupid move. It was.

Noting your bias against the UK and Israel I'm
sure you will find a way to blame those 2 countries anyway.

I lay blame where blame is due. Obviously you neglected your oxygen a
few too many times. Our business is America. Do try and remember that.
Even the US Airforce's business is America. By the way...Some of
Englands loudest critics are the English themselves. There is no true
UK anymore. Israel just told America to go **** itself. They did the
same to President Eisenhower. We do not have any need to keep
destroying our economy for the Zionist Ashkenazi Jews of Israel.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I can see why!

No, you can't see why. It's simple, I did 20+ years.

Lots of 20 year dead wood there.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are full of ****. Poland was encouraged to stick Hitler in the ass
by The Brits. The Brits Guaranteed Poland protection as did France.
The Danzig corridor was a real sore point. Poland threatened to invade
Germany on several occasions.

Chris wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:34 am, Alexander wrote:

Germany was concentrating on an Armored war in the East. If the decision
had been to retain Russia as an ally, Germany would have found the where
with all to toast England. As for starving England out..Why not...That
is what England did to Germany after the Armistice in WWI. America had
no place in either war. England handed us the dirty end of the stick and
we had morons in Corporate America what war profiteered by jumping at
the chance.

England was a paper tiger as proven by the taking of Poland. Even in WWI
The English had lost the war when Germany first offered a stand down and
to return to its original borders. But oh no..Wilson had to furnish more
war materials to England and when a ship load of that got sunk...Pull
isolationist America into a European conflict for which America got
nothing but egg on its face.

Actually he never planned to invade England. That is just Paranoia.
If his original plans were to invade, Germany would have been tooling up
in 1934, just like American corporate Government did. America stashed
all the steel and materials and redesigned it planes and battle fleets
in 1934. When Roosevelt finally goaded Japan into attacking us, It only
took short weeks before Fletcher class destroyers came off the assy line
by the gross. Planes also.. All designs with 1934 copyrights.

The English Empire started its own destruction in WWI. Its primary goal
was to pirate Germanys rich colonies. They got ****ed when the
Bolsheviks took Russia out of the equation as an ally. One bloody war
led to the next one. Bolsheviks were and are Jews by the way. The same
batch of assholes that fled Russia for Israel and are now the
assassinating settlers on Palestinian soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad

Chris Manteuffel

Don't even begin to think I will waste time on link bull****.

Chris wrote:
On Mar 19, 12:49 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

An army of 100,000 could easily turn out 1000 barges a day!
Low skill labor, I could organize that.

Man, Ken, you are really unlucky. If you had been born in the 1760's
you would have been a *superstar.* You see, in the 1790's and 1800's
there were a lot of people trying to build lots blue water hulls for
some big wars they had going on at the time. They thought, because of
their hundreds of years of accumulated experience and lifetimes spent
actually building ships, that it required a great deal of time,
specialized materials and highly skilled labor demanding large wages.
If only you had been there with your experience gained doing something
completely different as a hobby, you could have shown them the errors
of their ways. Any navy would have been thrilled with your ability to
produce a sloop or frigate type hull with a hundred unskilled workers
in a single day.

Chris Manteuffel

Chris.. You keep proving yourself an idiot. Its fools like you that
always underestimate the competition.

Dan wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.

No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.

He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.



I thought those were still most secret. I sure hope no one mentions
the av gas and diesel fountains in every shire.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Particularly the under water gas fountains. They were designed to
give visiting infantry a warm reception. Too warm.

Andrew Swallow

Alexander wrote:
Dan wrote:
Alexander wrote:
Dan wrote:
Alexander wrote:
snip


Face it.. You people started 2 wars against
Germany, which if we had not interfered would have kicked your
asses bloody. For Christs sake, learn your lesson and don't start
any more damned wars. Same goes for us.


Read a history book. Germany invaded her neighbours unprovoked at
the start of both world wars.

Bull****. Provocation was there and it would have ended very quietly,
except for the English perfidy. Damned limeys were forever tinkering
in the business of others.

The "limeys" didn't invade Poland, Russia and France in WW2 nor did
they invade Russia or France in WW1. There might have been a lot of
bluster all around prior to both wars, but Germany started shooting
first.

So you think its wrong to shoot the SOB that threatens your security?
Ding dong! Ding Dong!

Invading France,Belgium, The Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, Russia or
Poland had exactly what to do with Britain? In another part of this
thread you tell us Britain wasn't much of a threat to Germany now you
tell us she was a big enough threat to justify Germany starting wars.


No one in America wanted any part of that war.

Not true.

The Idiot Wilson decided he needed some imperialism to beat Teddy
Roosevelt in the upcoming 1917 election.

So, Zimmeran's telegram and the ongoing sinking of commerce had no
influence on Wilson's request for a declaration of war? Under the
Constitution only Congress can issue a declaration of war.

Even Teddy thought it was a
stupid move. It was.

Noting your bias against the UK and Israel I'm
sure you will find a way to blame those 2 countries anyway.

I lay blame where blame is due. Obviously you neglected your oxygen a
few too many times. Our business is America. Do try and remember that.
Even the US Airforce's business is America. By the way...Some of
Englands loudest critics are the English themselves. There is no true
UK anymore. Israel just told America to go **** itself. They did the
same to President Eisenhower. We do not have any need to keep
destroying our economy for the Zionist Ashkenazi Jews of Israel.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I can see why!

No, you can't see why. It's simple, I did 20+ years.

Lots of 20 year dead wood there.

Prove it. On any event, at least I served, what have you done?


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are full of ****. Poland was encouraged to stick Hitler in the ass
by The Brits. The Brits Guaranteed Poland protection as did France.
The Danzig corridor was a real sore point. Poland threatened to invade
Germany on several occasions.

Prove there ever was a Polish threat, not invented by the Nazis, to
invade Germany. Danzig wouldn't have been a problem had Germany not
started WW1 and lost fair and square.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Alexander wrote:
Chris wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:34 am, Alexander wrote:

Germany was concentrating on an Armored war in the East. If the decision
had been to retain Russia as an ally, Germany would have found the where
with all to toast England. As for starving England out..Why not...That
is what England did to Germany after the Armistice in WWI. America had
no place in either war. England handed us the dirty end of the stick and
we had morons in Corporate America what war profiteered by jumping at
the chance.

England was a paper tiger as proven by the taking of Poland. Even in WWI
The English had lost the war when Germany first offered a stand down and
to return to its original borders. But oh no..Wilson had to furnish more
war materials to England and when a ship load of that got sunk...Pull
isolationist America into a European conflict for which America got
nothing but egg on its face.

Actually he never planned to invade England. That is just Paranoia.
If his original plans were to invade, Germany would have been tooling up
in 1934, just like American corporate Government did. America stashed
all the steel and materials and redesigned it planes and battle fleets
in 1934. When Roosevelt finally goaded Japan into attacking us, It only
took short weeks before Fletcher class destroyers came off the assy line
by the gross. Planes also.. All designs with 1934 copyrights.

The English Empire started its own destruction in WWI. Its primary goal
was to pirate Germanys rich colonies. They got ****ed when the
Bolsheviks took Russia out of the equation as an ally. One bloody war
led to the next one. Bolsheviks were and are Jews by the way. The same
batch of assholes that fled Russia for Israel and are now the
assassinating settlers on Palestinian soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad

Chris Manteuffel

Don't even begin to think I will waste time on link bull****.

I'll save you the trouble, little man. "Word salad" means you
connected words in such a way as to produce nothing of value or sense.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Andrew Swallow wrote:
Dan wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.

No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.

He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.



I thought those were still most secret. I sure hope no one mentions
the av gas and diesel fountains in every shire.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Particularly the under water gas fountains. They were designed to
give visiting infantry a warm reception. Too warm.

Andrew Swallow

So much for the Official Secrecies Act.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired