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Old March 20th 10, 06:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Andrew Swallow
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Dan wrote:
Andrew Swallow wrote:
Dan wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.

No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.

He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.



I thought those were still most secret. I sure hope no one
mentions the av gas and diesel fountains in every shire.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Particularly the under water gas fountains. They were designed to
give visiting infantry a warm reception. Too warm.

Andrew Swallow


So much for the Official Secrecies Act.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


No longer secret.

Andrew Swallow
  #272  
Old March 20th 10, 07:28 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Dan[_12_]
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Andrew Swallow wrote:
Dan wrote:
Andrew Swallow wrote:
Dan wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.

No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.

He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.



I thought those were still most secret. I sure hope no one
mentions the av gas and diesel fountains in every shire.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Particularly the under water gas fountains. They were designed to
give visiting infantry a warm reception. Too warm.

Andrew Swallow


So much for the Official Secrecies Act.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


No longer secret.

Andrew Swallow


Well, not anymore.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
  #273  
Old March 20th 10, 08:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Paul J. Adam[_3_]
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In message , Alexander
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Paul J. Adam wrote:
So, what, they're swimming? No armour, no artillery, no vehicles, no
supplies beyond what they can swim across with?
Going to make the rest of their invasion of Britain interesting...


Bottom line is that the Germans would have figured a very effective way
if that had been their goal.


The way they figured out a very effective way to take North Africa?
Moscow? Stalingrad?

And presumably the Germans must have made "having their country overrun
and Berlin seized by the Soviets" a goal, since they achieved that so
successfully?

Curious definition of "effective", mind you...

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam
  #274  
Old March 20th 10, 11:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:46:13 -0000, "Keith Willshaw"
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"Dean" wrote in message
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On Mar 19, 1:28 pm, Bill Kambic wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:53:42 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum

wrote:
Look up "Mulberry"

I know what a "Mulberry" was. I also know that they were part of a
solution. What was the rest of it?


Capturing Cherbourg.


That was part of it but until a port was captured and repaired the
allies relied on a combination of Mulberry harbours and landing supplies
on the beach. The allies used large numbers of specialist landing craft and
landing ships along with the DUKW amphibious trucks.

The Germans had none of these methods available in 1940.

THe allies improved the beaches, look up 'gooseberry', for
example

Peter Skelton
  #275  
Old March 20th 10, 11:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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"Alexander" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:


Lots of Concrete Liberty ships would do the job just fine.


List of concrete liberty ships built worldwide


Are you daft? They were coming off the slipways every 3 to 4 days in
America. Had a drop in diesel Engine..and went asailing for the British
Isles.


They were of welded steel construction and typically had triple
expansion steam engines.

Who is the daft one here ?

PS the original design came from the shipyards of
NE England and the first ships built were called the Ocean Class.
When the United States Maritime Commission adopted the design
they substituted welding for the original rivetted construction
and replaced the coal fired boilers with oil burners.

Keith

  #276  
Old March 20th 10, 11:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Peter Skelton
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:54:19 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
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In message , Dan
writes
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
A few dozen farmers fields loading up with Me-109's, Stuka's.


No fuel or munitions, furrowed fields....etc.


He's going to harvest the fabled ammunition trees of Kent.


But wasn't that the era of the horrible mks blight? It took years
to graft more onto fps rootstock and bring them to production.

Peter Skelton
  #277  
Old March 20th 10, 11:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:42:25 -0500, Alexander
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Chris wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:34 am, Alexander wrote:

Germany was concentrating on an Armored war in the East. If the decision
had been to retain Russia as an ally, Germany would have found the where
with all to toast England. As for starving England out..Why not...That
is what England did to Germany after the Armistice in WWI. America had
no place in either war. England handed us the dirty end of the stick and
we had morons in Corporate America what war profiteered by jumping at
the chance.


England was a paper tiger as proven by the taking of Poland. Even in WWI
The English had lost the war when Germany first offered a stand down and
to return to its original borders. But oh no..Wilson had to furnish more
war materials to England and when a ship load of that got sunk...Pull
isolationist America into a European conflict for which America got
nothing but egg on its face.


Actually he never planned to invade England. That is just Paranoia.
If his original plans were to invade, Germany would have been tooling up
in 1934, just like American corporate Government did. America stashed
all the steel and materials and redesigned it planes and battle fleets
in 1934. When Roosevelt finally goaded Japan into attacking us, It only
took short weeks before Fletcher class destroyers came off the assy line
by the gross. Planes also.. All designs with 1934 copyrights.


The English Empire started its own destruction in WWI. Its primary goal
was to pirate Germanys rich colonies. They got ****ed when the
Bolsheviks took Russia out of the equation as an ally. One bloody war
led to the next one. Bolsheviks were and are Jews by the way. The same
batch of assholes that fled Russia for Israel and are now the
assassinating settlers on Palestinian soil.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad

Chris Manteuffel


Don't even begin to think I will waste time on link bull****.


Why should you when you have such a rich domestic source?


Peter Skelton
  #278  
Old March 20th 10, 12:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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"Dean" wrote in message
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On Mar 19, 1:28 pm, Bill Kambic wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:53:42 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum

wrote:
Look up "Mulberry"


I know what a "Mulberry" was. I also know that they were part of a
solution. What was the rest of it?


Capturing Cherbourg.


Pipe Line Under The Ocean = PLUTO

  #279  
Old March 20th 10, 01:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Mar 19, 5:43*pm, "Keith Willshaw"
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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The RAF did NOT have to attack one set of ships, its task was to prevent
the Luftwaffe attacking the RN....
Keith


Coastal Command was part of the RAF. Are you saying the Beauforts and
Sunderlands etc would have sat idle?

jsw
  #280  
Old March 20th 10, 01:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT), Dean
wrote:

On Mar 19, 1:28*pm, Bill Kambic wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:53:42 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum

wrote:
Look up "Mulberry"


I know what a "Mulberry" was. *I also know that they were part of a
solution. *What was the rest of it?


Capturing Cherbourg.


Was Cherbourg operational? If so, what did they do there?


 




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