Removing old antennas

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:iI76c.32458$_w.542610@attbi_s53...
Is it worth the bother?

Well, when you pick up some ice they won't make such a racket flapping
in the breeze.

Bob Miller
'65 Mooney

Jay, what you really want to do is find out what goodies he had in there,
buy
all of them, and hook the antennae back up. :-)

And since they are not on the cutting edge of 1998 technology, I could
probably buy them for a song!

Nah -- we're really quite happy with our plain-Jane IFR panel the way it is.
Our AvMap GPS provides so much functionality that we'd have to spend $20K
more just to get the same features in panel-mounted stuff.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Removing the stuff saves space, weight, gives a little speed, and best of
all can save you avionic tech time (and your money) when they need to chase
down something.

jerry

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:iI76c.32458$_w.542610@attbi_s53...
Is it worth the bother?

We're coming up on our annual inspection in May, and there are at least
four
antennas on our bird that do nothing. I'll bet there's a few feet of
cable
going to each one, too.

Does removing an antenna net you any extra speed, or is it mainly a weight
reduction thing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 18 Mar 2004 11:03:10 -0800, (Javier Gorordo) wrote:

Ron Wanttaja wrote
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"Scab patches"? I just bought one of the little 99 cent steel hole plugs
....
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Wouldn't a steel plug used in an aluminum base be a potential source
of galvanic corrosion?

It probably would, if the darn plug would just stay in. :-)

Ron "Whistler" Wanttaja

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:35:51 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



kage wrote:

"the whole nine yards"
Jay. Do you know where that aviation saying came from?

Supposedly the ammo belt for a WWI machine gun was this long. So if you fired
at a target until you ran out of ammo, you gave it the whole nine yards.

Well...that's *one* explanation. There's a whole lot more....

http://www.quinion.com/words/articles/nineyards.htm

Ron Wanttaja

One thing to watch, according to my avionics shop, is that the GPS antenna
should not be located close to the ELT antenna. I forget the reason.
Anyway, my loran antenna is about 9 inches from the ELT antenna, so it will
not become the GPS antenna location when the time comes.

Ben Jackson wrote:

In article Y3l6c.35073$1p.540919@attbi_s54,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Good ideas. And you're right -- the Apollo is probably a loran antenna.

They make a GPS antenna with the same footprint for LORAN-GPS upgrades.
If you need a GPS antenna it's nicer than a patch, and the same price as
the regular ones (ie shockingly expensive).

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

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"kage" writes:

"the whole nine yards"
Jay. Do you know where that aviation saying came from?


There are lots of bogus explanations but...

{cement truck load, machine gun belt, & others...}


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"kage" wrote in message ...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment. Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected" is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA

Dream on mamma,

Say what you want. Like I said, it is generally ignored by shade tree
mechanics working on Piper Arrows. But if you bring your Gulfstream into a
legitimate shop your inoperative equipment WILL be repaired, replaced,
removed or required inspections performed and the equipment returned to
service.


inspected"joe mamma" wrote in message
om...
"kage" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment.
Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected"
is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a
piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is
regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable
repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA

Kage,

I do agree with you about it being ignored. Alot of pilots/owners are
not aware of this loophole. In fact, AOPA I believe,or maybe it was
Aircraft technician, Did an article on this very same subject. What
gets most people is that the equipment was deactivated and every thing
is fine but they fail to make a logbook entry noting the deactivated
equipment was in fact inspected.

As for your comments infering that because an A&P works on A Piper
Arrow, he is a shade tree mechanic....well it's just an assholic
comment.I have seen outstanding single engine mechanics.

By the way, I have been working on GII, GIII, GIV for about 20 yrs.
Have done engine changes, 72 month inspections..just about
everything....And Yes, I have left SAV. with properly deactivated
equip....

Joe





"kage" wrote in message ...
Dream on mamma,

Say what you want. Like I said, it is generally ignored by shade tree
mechanics working on Piper Arrows. But if you bring your Gulfstream into a
legitimate shop your inoperative equipment WILL be repaired, replaced,
removed or required inspections performed and the equipment returned to
service.


inspected"joe mamma" wrote in message
om...
"kage" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message


Jay,

You have no choice. You are REQUIRED to remove inoperative equipment.
Part
91.405 (c).

Best,
Karl.

BTW, the reg says the equipment must be repaired, replaced, removed or
inspected at the next required inspection. What they mean by "inspected"
is
if a required inspection is due. Not just the mechanic peering at a
piece of
inop equipment and letting it go for another year! This rule is
regularily
ignored by the GA community. But it would never fly at a reputable
repair
facility. Once the antennas are removed you will have to revise the
equipment list and weight and balance.

WRONG!!!!!
91.405(c)
each owner operator blah blah blah (c)shall have any inoperative
instrument or item of equipment permitted to be blah blah blah.
Inspected means. You have that piece of equipment inspected to be
sure it is still deactivated.

For an example: Say I have a Piper Arrow with inop air conditioning.
I can deactivate and placard that system. Never have it fixed. As long
as. At the next required inspection.(IE 100 hr or annual), I inspect
it to make sure it is still deactivated and placarded AND Make a
logbook entry of such.

Good to go till next inspection....

Joe A&P/IA