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Old December 3rd 08, 01:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tman[_2_]
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Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have
something to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the
need to stay out of their hair in the air.
That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
T
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Old December 3rd 08, 01:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Tman wrote:

seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
Two


At least on a US based scheduled carrier, you can't usually there simply
by knowing the crew.

In the last year or two, "Flying" author Dick Karl did a ride-along with
fellow "Flying" author Les Abend, on one of Capt. Abend's trips. The
pass he needed required nearly an act of Congress to get, but it was
possible.

Once upon a time, Air Traffic Controllers were allowed to ride in the
jumpseat with proper FAA credentials. From what I understand, even that
is no longer allowed.

I've hitched rides on Part 135 shared charters by knowing the crew, but
the other passengers thought I was another paying customer, and there is
no FAA reg forbidding a free passenger.

When I was a kid in the 70's, a neighbor who flew for American took me
outside on the ramp to walk around parked aircraft @ JFK. We even got
to walk up the external Jetway stairs to tour the planes. It's too bad
there's pretty much no way to do casual stuff like that anymore.
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Old December 3rd 08, 03:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Tman" wrote in message
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| Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
| I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have
| something to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the
| need to stay out of their hair in the air.
| That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
| I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
| seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
| T

Prior to 911, some airlines would allow employees (without facial hair) to
ride jump seat at the Captains discretion. The practice was not uncommon,
and often used to allow one more person on an otherwise full aircraft. No
way to tell how often the Captains said yes. Since 911, I'm not really sure.
The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the O2
mask in an emergency.




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Old December 3rd 08, 10:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Maxwell wrote:
The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the O2
mask in an emergency.


?

I see lots of airline pilots with thick mustaches.
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Old December 3rd 08, 11:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the
O2 mask in an emergency.


?

I see lots of airline pilots with thick mustaches.


As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.

It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally tolerated
and some even allow beards under certain criteria.

Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when I
could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
coach.

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Old December 4th 08, 01:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mike" nospam @ aol.com wrote in message
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|
| As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.
|
| It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
tolerated
| and some even allow beards under certain criteria.
|
| Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when I
| could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
| coach.
|

Well by all means little Mikey Mouth, what airlines allow beards that
interrupt the seal of an O2 mask.



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Old December 5th 08, 09:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
...

"Mike" nospam @ aol.com wrote in message
...
|
| As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.
|
| It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
tolerated
| and some even allow beards under certain criteria.
|
| Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when
I
| could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
| coach.
|

Well by all means little Mikey Mouth, what airlines allow beards that
interrupt the seal of an O2 mask.


None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.

How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches, as you
claimed?

Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?

Obviously not.

I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them, although that
doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and foreign
carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.

Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.

http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm

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Old December 4th 08, 02:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tman[_2_]
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Mike wrote:


It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
tolerated and some even allow beards under certain criteria.

By the airlines maybe, but I imagine not tolerated too well by the cabin
crew.
(Chafing issues on the "lay"over).
T

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Old December 4th 08, 06:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:

Riding


TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
Mikey

SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
--
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Old December 5th 08, 09:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bear Bottoms" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:

Riding


TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
Mikey


Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a kook like
you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.

 




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