Any thoughts on today's N999LJ overrun at Columbia?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Patty" wrote in
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My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.


What's a runway constraint?


Bertie


At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
that for a constraint.



Gives you some time to get flying speed up...

Bertie


oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the accident
happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at Columbia Airport
in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of in S.C.

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Regards, Bob F.

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 8:45 am, "Patty" wrote:
I haven't seen any factual information yet other than the fact that
the plane went off the end of the runway.

But this is the Internet, so we can just wildly speculate right?

Vaughn


And people will...

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"Patty" wrote in
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My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints.


What's a runway constraint?


Bertie


At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
How's that for a constraint.



Gives you some time to get flying speed up...

Bertie


oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the
accident happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at
Columbia Airport in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of
in S.C.

OK, but what I meant was that a pilot of an aircraft of that performance
level isn't really thinking "restraint". It's really more cut and dried
than that.


Bertie

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"Patty" wrote in
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What's a runway constraint?


Bertie


At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
How's that for a constraint.

exactly




Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?

It doesn't answer the question.


Bertie


Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway? It's beyond
the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?

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Regards, Bob F.

On Sep 20, 2:08*pm, "Patty" wrote:
My wild spec, for starters, *begins with, *most likely, *that the pilots
that were not familiar with runway constraints. *Plain and simple. *Have a
better theory, at this point?

Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
airplanes.

-robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" wrote:
My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the pilots
that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and simple. Have a
better theory, at this point?

Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
airplanes.

-robert

Midnight departure?
Shades of LEX perhaps?

Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
wine and dine the neighbor's wife?

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

"TheTruth" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" wrote:
My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the pilots
that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and simple. Have
a
better theory, at this point?

Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has Big
on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in front of
airplanes.

-robert

Midnight departure?
Shades of LEX perhaps?

Both runways are longer than 8,000', crackhead. Try again, JJ.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:33:27 -0400, "Bob F."
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At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down. How's
that for a constraint.



Gives you some time to get flying speed up...

Bertie


oops sorry, I just took another look at the article and noticed the accident
happened at Columbia S.C. I thought the accident was at Columbia Airport
in the California Sierra's. No drop that I know of in S.C.

I have been into Columbia, California airport many times and if there
is a 5000 ft drop, they must have dug it recently.

Ed Sullivan

"Bob F." wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Patty" wrote in
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What's a runway constraint?


Bertie


At the end of the runway, there is a 5000 ft drop, straight down.
How's that for a constraint.

exactly




Who plans on using what lies beyond the end of a runway?

It doesn't answer the question.


Bertie


Oh, you were asking a serious question. What about a clearway? It's
beyond the end of the runway and used for planning purposes...no?


True, but it's part of the runway environment. The point I was trying to
make was that the word just didn't seem to fit the picture. I dont know
what word I would use in it's place. Performance limitations would
probably be closer to it, but that probably had little to do with the
accident in any case, as they were probably well within those..
I just thought "constraint" is a bit tabloid n this case.


Bertie

TheTruth wrote in
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:08 pm, "Patty" wrote:
My wild spec, for starters, begins with, most likely, that the
pilots that were not familiar with runway constraints. Plain and
simple. Have a better theory, at this point?

Ok, here is a possibility that is equally supported by the current
evidence as your theory. I think all this hunting for Big Foot has
Big on the run and he's coming down from the hills and jumping in
front of airplanes.

-robert

Midnight departure?
Shades of LEX perhaps?

Possibly just one tired over worked poorly trained inexperienced
controller on duty while the high priced FAA managers chase whores and
wine and dine the neighbor's wife?



unlikely unless the airplane ran into another airplen, since all
controllers do is keep airplanes seperated.



Fjukkkwit.


Bertie