Fed: Planes flying in "commercial" airspace must get GPS

Mxsmanic wrote:
VOR-DME writes:

I can accept your judgment, but to think they have not dealt with scenarios as
obvious as GPS blackouts in developing the new system, as MXIDIOT suggests, is
patently ridiculous.

I wish that were true. But people have a tendency to avoid dealing with things
they don't like or don't understand, and organizations run by people have
exactly the same problem.

You mean like flight planning?


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Mxsmanic wrote:
VOR-DME writes:

The good news, for all involved, is that Microsoft no longer supports MSFS, so
the advantages and difficulties that those of us flying the real system face
will be completely lost on MSFS users like MX, hopelessly lost in a 1980's
world of air traffic regulation.

Serious simmers do not use the built-in ATC of MSFS. And the product is still
supported, although it is no longer under active development. Were it to
disappear, there are alternatives such as X-Plane (not a pretty alternative,
I'll grant).

But none of this has anything to do with ADS-B.

Which means as a MSFS gamer you have no clue what ADS-B is, how it works,
or what the next step in the system is.


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I wonder how many of my instrument rated GA peers do NOT know, when in
actual, where the nearest good weather is. Note I did not say IMC, nor
VFR, since we know the difference. I can't think of rated pilot I know
who does not know, for example, where his solid gold alternate is, and
if there isn't one, the airplane doesn't leave the ground. Complex
singles have 4 to 6 hours of fuel aboard and speaking for myself if I
can't be plan to be on the ground with half a wing still full of fuel
I'm not going.

That is exactly right! If I'm expecting any actual I always call a breifer,
and my last question (the answer that stays freshest in my mind) is, "Where do
I have to go to find good weather?" and then I plan to see if I can keep it in
comfortable range at all times. I file an alternate if required, but en-route
every suitable airport passed is the current alternate.

Funny we are discussing ADS-B and NextGen with people who have "heard of" a DF
steer!

writes:

No one is talking about the POSSIBILITY of eliminating radar until the
whole system is in place.

And after the whole system is in place, how will ATC find you without radar
then?

All of them as all of them were trained to do it ...

If all pilots continued to do what they were trained to do after getting their
licenses, there wouldn't be so many of them killing themselves.

writes:

Jamming is a non problem for civilian aircraft not flying in a war zone.

Read any NOTAMs lately?

jimp@specsol wrote
As an aside, I remember from my training a LONG time ago that ATC
can use direction finding on your radio signal to give you your
general location. A "DF steer", I think it was called. Is that
still available?

I've heard of it. I suppose if the FAA is throwing away everything
else, they'll want to throw this away, too.

Your "suppose" is useless in the real world.

DF Steers were available only from Flight Service Stations. Since Flight
Service has been contracted out to Lockheed Martin who have centralized the
service and closed down most of the FSS facilities, I would certainly not
depend on DF Steers being available.

Bob Moore

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

No one is talking about the POSSIBILITY of eliminating radar until the
whole system is in place.

And after the whole system is in place, how will ATC find you without radar
then?

You could read something other than USA Today and find out...

All of them as all of them were trained to do it ...

If all pilots continued to do what they were trained to do after getting their
licenses, there wouldn't be so many of them killing themselves.

Once again you try to turn the arguement in a different direction by stating,
in effect, that real pilots are human beings and aren't absolutely perfect,
which has nothing to do with the arguement.

The fact remains that all real pilots are trained to do something that you
can't understand, i.e. navigate with a compass, a chart, and a flight plan.


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VOR-DME wrote:

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Well VOR DME, you a better man then me going as far as you did.

He has no clue what the real world is out here. As I stated in my
first reply to him, why should he be concerned as he is not a user of
the system for navigation.

His reading comprehension seems be less then a 6 year old as I am not
familiar with the next generation stuff but you did an outstanding job
explaining it in user friendly terms for this pilot.

The good news, for all involved, is that Microsoft no longer supports
MSFS, so the advantages and difficulties that those of us flying the
real system face will be completely lost on MSFS users like MX,
hopelessly lost in a 1980's world of air traffic regulation. Each day we
live and fly keeps us up to date on how the system works and evolves,
while each day casts MX and his ilk further into obsolescence and
incomprehension. This distinction is useful.


Isn't there a separate group for MSFS gamers?

On May 30, 2:46*pm, Franklin
wrote:
VOR-DME wrote:
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says...

Well VOR DME, you a better man then me going as far as you did.

He has no clue what the real world is out here. *As I stated in my
first reply to him, why should he be concerned as he is not a user of
the system for navigation.

His reading comprehension seems be less then a 6 year old as I am not
familiar with the next generation stuff but you did an outstanding job
explaining it in user friendly terms for this pilot.

The good news, for all involved, is that Microsoft no longer supports
MSFS, so the advantages and difficulties that those of us flying the
real system face will be completely lost on MSFS users like MX,
hopelessly lost in a 1980's world of air traffic regulation. Each day we
live and fly keeps us up to date on how the system works and evolves,
while each day casts MX and his ilk further into obsolescence and
incomprehension. This distinction is useful.

Isn't there a separate group for MSFS gamers?

Franklin, you may have noticed this is the group for MSFS gamers who
want to offer their "wisdom" and instruct rated pilots.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Jamming is a non problem for civilian aircraft not flying in a war zone.

Read any NOTAMs lately?


There are currently 5 NOTAMS about GPS for the entire country.

There are currently 24 NOTAMS for LA Center alone.

Sounds like a real big problem...

Since you have never flown a real airplane you probably don't know this
but VOR's fail or are taken down for maintenance all the time.

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Jim Pennino

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