Farewell, Buckeye (T-2C)!

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Not so fast on the Buckeye, bucko.

It still has to go through the hoary traditional retirement from
*all* NAS/MCASs. Wherein NAS Podunk announces in a press release
that "The last T-2C in USN service was retired in a ceremony
yesterday." To be followed a month later in this or that
publication with an irate letter from the PIO of NAS Peoria,
saying "Podunk may have retired theirs, but we have four T-2Cs on
the flight line here right now, still serving as proficiency
trainers for ......"

Hell, this sort of thing went on endlessly with the C-117D (nee
C-47, R4D, DC-3) Gooney Bird. Every other month or three one
station or another would make the ill-considered press release,
to be followed a month later by a bunch of other stations
replying "We're still flying them." I was riding *in* the MAG-26
C-117D when I read such a press release in the Naval Aviation
News in the early/mid-sixties.

[Hey, riding in a Gooney Bird, you'll read *anything* you can get
your hands on. That was a slow, boring ride.]

--
OJ III

"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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Not so fast on the Buckeye, bucko.

Okay, there are going to be several private jets flying ... we had one of
them at the Meridian air show a couple months ago flown by an old friend of
mine.

But in an operational, military world, the Trusty Tubbyjet is gone, Gone,
GONE.

R/ John

John Carrier wrote:
"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004362.html
Not so fast on the Buckeye, bucko.

Okay, there are going to be several private jets flying ... we had one of
them at the Meridian air show a couple months ago flown by an old friend of
mine.

But in an operational, military world, the Trusty Tubbyjet is gone, Gone,
GONE.

R/ John



Used with great results at Pax in the OCF program. Don't know if that's
still being run but if not it should be.

--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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John Carrier wrote:
"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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wrote:

See:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004362.html
Not so fast on the Buckeye, bucko.

Okay, there are going to be several private jets flying ... we had one of
them at the Meridian air show a couple months ago flown by an old friend
of mine.

But in an operational, military world, the Trusty Tubbyjet is gone, Gone,
GONE.

R/ John

Used with great results at Pax in the OCF program. Don't know if that's
still being run but if not it should be.

Should be. A onesy/twosy. The Tubby was/is a GREAT OCF airplane. You
could use any jet's recovery controls and the A/C would recover. There used
to be a fleet OCF program; once a year requal. Upright and inverted, rudder
triplets and lomchevacs.

Jerry Galagher (classmate, USNA '69) is still there IIRC. Mr. OCF for the
Navy for years. We've got two highly qualified OCF guys in Meridian (both
retired in the sim/ground school world). One was a fleet OCF guy and might
well be the jet lomchevac king. The other was doing OCF in T-2's forever,
first as a regular, then a reserve.

We don't spin the T-45. We do train to a few relatively benign departures;
a little more exotic stuff in the simulator, but it doesn't spin
predictably. It's inadvisable to spin most jets, though its done in flight
test (usually with spin chutes, etc hung on). The F-18 doesn't spin and the
latest flight control software evidently gets rid of its most serious
departure mode. The Turkey was easy to spin if you tried hard enough. I
don't think anyone ever recovered from a fully-developed F-14 spin.

R / John

John Carrier wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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John Carrier wrote:
"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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wrote:

See:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004362.html
Not so fast on the Buckeye, bucko.
Okay, there are going to be several private jets flying ... we had one of
them at the Meridian air show a couple months ago flown by an old friend
of mine.

But in an operational, military world, the Trusty Tubbyjet is gone, Gone,
GONE.

R/ John
Used with great results at Pax in the OCF program. Don't know if that's
still being run but if not it should be.

Should be. A onesy/twosy. The Tubby was/is a GREAT OCF airplane. You
could use any jet's recovery controls and the A/C would recover. There used
to be a fleet OCF program; once a year requal. Upright and inverted, rudder
triplets and lomchevacs.

Jerry Galagher (classmate, USNA '69) is still there IIRC. Mr. OCF for the
Navy for years. We've got two highly qualified OCF guys in Meridian (both
retired in the sim/ground school world). One was a fleet OCF guy and might
well be the jet lomchevac king. The other was doing OCF in T-2's forever,
first as a regular, then a reserve.

We don't spin the T-45. We do train to a few relatively benign departures;
a little more exotic stuff in the simulator, but it doesn't spin
predictably. It's inadvisable to spin most jets, though its done in flight
test (usually with spin chutes, etc hung on). The F-18 doesn't spin and the
latest flight control software evidently gets rid of its most serious
departure mode. The Turkey was easy to spin if you tried hard enough. I
don't think anyone ever recovered from a fully-developed F-14 spin.

R / John


On the Turkey spin; DD Smith and Pete Angelina put one in the bay at
Strike. They still show the film at TPS. Interesting that the airplane
recovered itself after the ejections altered the erect spin mode.

--
Dudley Henriques